Generally oral traditions bend historical truth and context within one generation as the contemporary witnesses dies out or could not recollect details. This is much the case for entire span of the humanity. Look into the oral stories of the urban legends. We do know very little on Roman Empire in time on some of the emperors, either due no sufficient records were kept, or they were lost in history. For example during turbulent crisis of the 3rd century, there are often debate if some of the barracks usurpers to the the throne even existed. There is very little know what Atilla and Leo debated, and why he did to complete the conquest of Italy. And these were monumental events in the core of the most powerful empire of the Antiquity where imperial court had own notaries. Now transpose to the impoverished province of Judea around 70 AD where there was only small segment of literate population... and myth of Jesus was born.
Posts by kaik
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12Wisdom in "the Word of God". Really? What Watchtower got wrong at this week's Congregation "Bible" Study.
by Island Man inthe congregation "bible" study (cbs) for the week of december 29, 2014 to january 4, 2015 was taken from draw close to jehovah, pages 179-182, paragraphs 1-8.. paragraph 3 seems to be using the ancient jew's fear of jehovah's thunderous voice to justify the wisdom of him using moses to record and transmit his laws to the people.
but there is an implied false dichotomy here.
since god is supposedly almighty he is most certainly capable of giving a personal revelation of his requirements to every human in a clear, concise and unambiguous manner that they can fully understand and remember - without having to use his thunderous voice.
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Using Third-World Poverty-Stricken Witnesses To Guilt More Donations Video, Where is that Video?
by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker ini heard about a new video where the watchtower has a single mother and her child eating millet or rice with almost no material possessions worried about donating to the world wide work.
now most religions are trying to donate to third-world countries, not the watchtower profit enterprise, they are willing to take a families last milk cow so their leaders can spend those funds fighting pedophile lawsuits!.
every place the watchtower builds you read about the angry citizens having to pick up their tax bills because the watchtower only takes!
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NVR2L8 and SLOTS, insidetheKH is troll who got verbal with me several times on this board; this WT cocotte called me numerous names while hiding behind the "anonymity" of the internet. I am sure that people in the HQ and Bethels would not be very thrilled if they find out that he is patrolling apostate website. He deliberately infuses lies into the discussions than retracts that word he posted was not exactly what he posted like that word NEVER...
I do not know any JW personally who starved to death, but considering situation that was during WWII in Central and Eastern Europe and in places like Lenigrad where many JWs during USSR lived - based on the statistics of the population survival in the city during the siege - at least one JW there had to die by starvation (overall 40% of population in Lenigrad died by hunger, freezing, and shelling during siege). Worse statistics were in Warsaw, which saw hungry winter in 1944 where 85% of population died between summer of 1944 and January 1945. Yet, we have here moron who used word NEVER with certainty. Extermination camps during WWII were not paradise. While there is a huge difference between suffering of JWs during the Nazi occupation where some of them suffered death, while other lived in life of idle luxury as servants for high ranking Nazi officials like Heydrich. I would still not dare to call death of 1500 JWs during that time as no single one had EVER died from hunger. I was in Terezin which was concentration camp for occupied Czechoslovakia, but served as a labor camp not extermination and there was certainly starvation at the end of the WWII. And Terezin was not Jasenovac or Treblinka. Czech JWs were in Terezin until it was liberated in May 1945.
Another lies is that someone would claim that he delivered supplies into country with wrong name. There was only Czechoslovakia. Material well being in communist Czechoslovakia was alright, and never required food banks. Social system was implemented in that country since 1926, unlike many other communist countries, which guaranteed some welfare nest. Social and economic situation in Poland was bad and very bad in Romania. I do not believe that communist regime would allow any truck deliveries for JWs there as it would not be possible. Jehovah Witnesses were illegal. Publications into Czechoslovakia and Romania were delivered through much liberal Hungary and I know personally the guy who used to do this. The idea that JW from Bethel could drive truck through Iron Curtain for illegal group with cloth and food supplies is so ridiculous that it does not have to be explained more to anyone who lived behind Iron Curtain like myself at that time. You could travel out only on permit. Travel to other communist countries was possible, but difficult and required extensive permits. I been all in that region from Russia to Balkans and I know how the travel system worked.
Food bank that was done for Romania in December 1989 was right during Romanian Revolution and had to do with overall situation in that region following the collapse of the Berlin Wall. There was no any other food bank or donations before or afterwards, not even for Yugoslavia and Sarajevo from our KH. Any case, we should ignore the WT mole insidetheKH as his sole purpose is to sow disinformation on the JWN.
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Wisdom in "the Word of God". Really? What Watchtower got wrong at this week's Congregation "Bible" Study.
by Island Man inthe congregation "bible" study (cbs) for the week of december 29, 2014 to january 4, 2015 was taken from draw close to jehovah, pages 179-182, paragraphs 1-8.. paragraph 3 seems to be using the ancient jew's fear of jehovah's thunderous voice to justify the wisdom of him using moses to record and transmit his laws to the people.
but there is an implied false dichotomy here.
since god is supposedly almighty he is most certainly capable of giving a personal revelation of his requirements to every human in a clear, concise and unambiguous manner that they can fully understand and remember - without having to use his thunderous voice.
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The book from Catherine Hezser, Jewish Literacy in Roman world does good job in analyzing the level of education and literacy among Jews, Roman settlers in the Judea and Palestine, and who the education changed through the antiquity. It is often estimated that only 1 in 7 could write and write during Roman Empire and this included soldiers who would have to at least sign their names on the official documents. What is another interesting fact her book at the page 503 that "at least ninety percent of the Jewish population of Roman Palestine could merely write own name or not write and read at all must lead to a new assessment of our understanding of ancient Judaism as a 'book-religion'".
Before the Roman takeover of Jerusalem, only handful of priests and high level of aristocracy could read. Majority of peasants in the countryside were illiterate and had to rely on oral tradition on various interpretation of the OT.
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Surprise ! Surprise ! 2015 Arrives and NO Armageddon or World's " End " - Go Figure
by flipper ini guess 99.9 % of ex-jw's here could have predicted as much .
armageddon didn't happen in 1914. it didn't happen in 1925. it didn't happen in 1975. and it did not happen in 2014. since the wt society first predicted a world's end when their organization started in 1879 - 126 years have passed which according to any dictionary in any human language 126 years comprises of 4 separate generations each totaling 30 years each.
plus 6 years into a 5th generation.
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Iggy, I was small in 1975, but my JW aunt was telling me that I would not have to worry about school because I will be going to Jehovah school after upcoming Armageddon. That witch (she was really bad person) is dead, and I not only went through entire school system in the 70's and 80's, but chased two advanced degrees after I left WT 20 years ago. All JWs I knew who believed to live into the new world are dead. My parents are pushing 80 without Armageddon on sight. My JWs cousins are between 50 and 60 with failed health, and no Armageddon to rescue them. -
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Surprise ! Surprise ! 2015 Arrives and NO Armageddon or World's " End " - Go Figure
by flipper ini guess 99.9 % of ex-jw's here could have predicted as much .
armageddon didn't happen in 1914. it didn't happen in 1925. it didn't happen in 1975. and it did not happen in 2014. since the wt society first predicted a world's end when their organization started in 1879 - 126 years have passed which according to any dictionary in any human language 126 years comprises of 4 separate generations each totaling 30 years each.
plus 6 years into a 5th generation.
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Finkelstein, you are correct on this that mainstream European Christianity (Catholic, Lutheran, Orthodox) teaches that they must live their lives each day as toward Jesus might return every day of living by humanity. This was already normalized in the 16th century when Catholic church considered various doomsday movements heretical and forbade its preaching. Doomsday cults in modern era are leftover of Reformation of England and USA since 18th century is the hotbed of various crazy end-date religions. -
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Your explanation for a total contradiction in the New World Translation.
by Johnny Brown in"for if you publicly declare with your mouth that jesus is lord,+ and exercise faith in your heart that god raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.
10 for with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration+ for salvation.
11 for the scripture says: no one who rests his faith on him will be disappointed.+
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I have several Bibles translations, two in Czech language, which often have different details. There was never universal consensus what OT & NT word means and how to translate it to the present language. This is a reason, why there are so many versions, translations, and reinterpretation of bible as far as was it put together during Roman times. Some religious groups refuse to use other translations and the schisms are old as the Christianity alone. There is huge difference between Roman Catholicism and their Latinized bible and Greek Orthodox on various words and these differences being source of disconnect for 1700 years. Even Jews do not have unified beliefs and have a diverse interpretation of Torah, OT, and books depending on Rabbinic tradition, schools, and regional influences. If Jews do have contradictions, Christians who stole Jewish Holy books have them as well. -
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Using Third-World Poverty-Stricken Witnesses To Guilt More Donations Video, Where is that Video?
by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker ini heard about a new video where the watchtower has a single mother and her child eating millet or rice with almost no material possessions worried about donating to the world wide work.
now most religions are trying to donate to third-world countries, not the watchtower profit enterprise, they are willing to take a families last milk cow so their leaders can spend those funds fighting pedophile lawsuits!.
every place the watchtower builds you read about the angry citizens having to pick up their tax bills because the watchtower only takes!
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NVR2L8, you will never get straight answer from this douche bag. He will deny what he wrote. He posted very clearly that JW NEVER starved to death despite everyone knows what happened to many during WWII, nor how many died by hunger in places like Lenigrad in 1941-1944. This is documented and anyone can ask Russian JWs who are three four generations how was it there during WWII. -
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Using Third-World Poverty-Stricken Witnesses To Guilt More Donations Video, Where is that Video?
by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker ini heard about a new video where the watchtower has a single mother and her child eating millet or rice with almost no material possessions worried about donating to the world wide work.
now most religions are trying to donate to third-world countries, not the watchtower profit enterprise, they are willing to take a families last milk cow so their leaders can spend those funds fighting pedophile lawsuits!.
every place the watchtower builds you read about the angry citizens having to pick up their tax bills because the watchtower only takes!
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insidetheKH, the monkey from Bethel, this is all what you got you used douchebag? You did not drive truck in the 1980's into Czechoslovakia not Czecho-Slovakia because such state entity never existed with WT supplies. You lie, because this never happened in Czechoslovakia in that time, nor there was ever food bank in 1980's for this country because Czechoslovakia never starved even under communism. Food bank to Romania in 1989 happened right after the Romanian Revolution, where during upheaval entire distribution of food collapsed. I was in Romania in 1988, year before Ceausescu execution, and I know how problematic was it to get travel permit. You will not be able to travel there during Cold War with truck full of JW supplies to Czechoslovakia nor Romania as both countries were isolated. You lie, lie, lie; so crawl back under Bethel rock. I bet brother Zendulka and the pack from ex-Bethel in Prague, would not be happy that monkey like you is posting on apostate web site so douche like you can feel so important and superior with lies. BTW, your screen name reflects your cranium stuffed from sh!t from WT idiocy.
Maybe you should change SN into insidetheKHmind with avatar as turd matching your personality.
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Using Third-World Poverty-Stricken Witnesses To Guilt More Donations Video, Where is that Video?
by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker ini heard about a new video where the watchtower has a single mother and her child eating millet or rice with almost no material possessions worried about donating to the world wide work.
now most religions are trying to donate to third-world countries, not the watchtower profit enterprise, they are willing to take a families last milk cow so their leaders can spend those funds fighting pedophile lawsuits!.
every place the watchtower builds you read about the angry citizens having to pick up their tax bills because the watchtower only takes!
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NVR2L8, of course JW starved, not only during WWII, but also during Stalin, and during deep economic crisis in Eastern Europe in 1989-1991. This lying c**t insidetheKH lied in here: "Anyway.. there are no Jehovah's Witnesses starving to death anywhere on this world.. and there never were." He is in denial or he shamelessly lies; this is the only thing he was taught in Bethel. Of course he will deny that JWs never starved; and will deny that in 1989 JWs made food banks for starving JWs in Romania, something I had participated; and he will deny or lie about food bank that JWs did in postwar Switzerland for Germany and Austria.
insidetheKH: Over the years I have seen 4 continents and visited many congregations in 3rd world countries, i know what i witnessed." So you are douche from the Bethel and you think you are superior to other. Anyway, you are liar, you always were liar, and you will die as JW liar. Crawl back into Bethel, and STFU hypocrite. WT would not look kindly that you troll apostate web sites, but I hope they do find out, because you will deserve it!Everyone who is attempting to discuss anything with insidetheKH, you are wasting your time. This troll often harass others, but when proved wrong he will crawl back to his Bethel with rodent tail between his leg. There is no constructive debate with crazy mind.
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ancient ruins
by crazyguy1 inthey have discovered a temple complex in turkey they call gobekli tepi and another in southern iran they tentatively call arata.
both of these sites were discovered in the last decade or two and are being dated to older then 12000 years ago.
can anyone explain how they go about dating these site since carbon 14 dating doesnt work on stone and theres no patina or very little since these places were buried?
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There are dozen different materials that can be used in dating, not just only carbon. On geological features, there can be K-Ar dating for minerals millions years old. Carbon dating is rather accurate to 45,000 years or approximately 8 half times. Other methods like Ionimum-thorium-232 dating is widely used in sediments with halflife of 75,000 years. Besides radiometric dating, there are other methods like pollen, sediment, electromagnetic dating.
One important feature for dating the age of the early settlements is glaciation which retracted and repeated the process for period of several hundred thousands years. There was a brief period of warm-up in 25000 years ago followed by rapid glaciation in Europe, Asia, and Northern America, which ended around 10,000 BC. This glaciation period is very easy to spot in terrain, sediments, flora, fauna, and elsewhere, and can determine population migration before the last Ice Age and interglacial period.