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Judge Bans Shunning

by Farkel in

today i spoke with a former jw i've been in touch with for several years and discovered what i think could be a major bombshell for the wts.

as we all know, shunning is the most powerful weapon the wt cult has over its members and for decades the wts has been able to get away with practicing it at their whim.

the us and other courts have permitted them to to use it, even though it destroys families and has ruined countless lives.

I think it's important to note that the jurisdiction of the court that issued this opinion is limited to the parties that were before it (i.e. the divorced/ing husband and wife). Therefore, even though the court was quoted as saying the "shunning must cease immediately," and "this Court hereby issues an order prohibitting 'shunning,'" it was putting the duty of compliance upon the father, not the Jehovah's Witnesses. The court has no legal jurisdiction over the Watchtower corporations in this matter whatsoever as they were not a party to the case. However, as it relates to the specific parties in this case, it appears to be a powerful victory that may be challenged by the father (possibly with WT legal support, but it's doubtful such a challenge would succeed). I believe that the mother could make a strong argument that even bringing the child to the meetings would violate the court's order, since bringing the child to the meeting would expose the child to the harmful effects of shunning. It is encouraging to see that at least one family law judge is wise enough to recognize that exposing children to the WT can be harmful to them . I'm looking forward to reading the entire opinion - please post it if you can.

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OJ makes me sick

by hannibal in

did anyone see oj simpson on espn last night?.

dan patrick interveiwed that scumbag.dan asked him... .

ya, so do you still spend money trying to find nicoles killer?.

144thousand_and_one

NO ONE on OJ's defense team had to explain ANYTHING about OJ or his actions. He went into that courtroom presumed an innocent man. It is the responsibility of the prosecutor (District Attorney's Office) to prove that he is guilty. THEY FAILED TO DO THAT. Therefore, OJ walked. Your gripe should be with the Prosecution team and the inept Darden and Clark.

Lisa,

Thanks for demonstrating that at least some of us remember what the Constitution is as well as what it means. The quote above summarizes the reality of the Simpson case; law enforcement and the prosecution bungled it.

Heathen,

Your efforts to make light of my statements regarding your racist views will not obfuscate them; I'm going to quote you here to remind you of the reasons for my statements:

I think it is a total sham that just because a white person uses the N word that some how he is demonized to the point of losing all credibility as a Law enforcement officer. - - Heathen

Law enforcement officers have lots of power, and if there is any evidence that they might be inclined to exercise that power in a discriminatory manner, they should be removed for the protection of the public. If racism was rooted out of the LAPD, we might have been able to avoid the Rodney King debacle and the riots that followed.

Heathen, your efforts to advocate the plight of cops who use racial slurs speaks volumes about your own views.

The jury was mostly black ,so go figure this one out. - - Heathen

By implication, you are stating that blacks are unqualified to serve as jurors if the defendant is also black, since blacks are likely to vote for acquittal if the defendant is black. This demonstrates your ignorance as well as your bigoted viewpoint, as black juries have sent many black defendants to death row.

Yes, Heathen, I can picture you wearing the hood and robe. They fit you well.

Edited by - 144thousand_and_one on 20 December 2002 11:41:20

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OJ makes me sick

by hannibal in

did anyone see oj simpson on espn last night?.

dan patrick interveiwed that scumbag.dan asked him... .

ya, so do you still spend money trying to find nicoles killer?.

144thousand_and_one

Waiting,

You're right, the jury could have made an incorrect decision. If I sat on either jury, I would have agreed with the verdicts in both cases. Our system isn't perfect, incorrect verdicts are reached all the time. But it's the only system we've got, and overall, it's better than most others out there.

Heathen, you're right about your freedom of speech to spout your racist views. I also have freedom of speech to tell you that bigots like you make me want to puke.

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OJ makes me sick

by hannibal in

did anyone see oj simpson on espn last night?.

dan patrick interveiwed that scumbag.dan asked him... .

ya, so do you still spend money trying to find nicoles killer?.

144thousand_and_one

PLMKRZY,

Nice attempt to misrepresent my earlier post. I won't respond. Apparently, you learned well at the kingdom hall.

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OJ makes me sick

by hannibal in

did anyone see oj simpson on espn last night?.

dan patrick interveiwed that scumbag.dan asked him... .

ya, so do you still spend money trying to find nicoles killer?.

144thousand_and_one

Whether I'm a layman in the law or not is irrelevant. I recommended a book by one of the best LAWYERS in this Country, and you poo-pooed it with your red-herring about my own lack of legal expertise. - - Farkel

As a person who makes a living in the legal profession, I find your status as a layman to be quite relevant when it comes to assessing the value of your recommendations regarding books to read on legal subjects.

If you don't want to educate yourself on the FACTS as presented by Bugliosi and instead, condescendly give us your lessons on the US Constitution, that is your choice. - - Farkel

I wasn't aware that Mr. Bugliosi had all the facts in the OJ case. The State of California could have saved a lot of money if this was known; we could have just had a trial that was limited to testimony by Bugliosi, a lawyer who according to Farkel, is "one of the best LAWYERS in this Country[!]" Why didn't you enlighten us before, Farkel?

While I do respect Mr. Bugliosi, I don't need to read his book to understand the OJ trial. I watched much of it, and one of my close friends was a law clerk for Judge Ito during the trial. Frankly, I'm sick of hearing about it and sick of people who disparage our courts over it, as this trial was anything but typical of trials in this state. I was at a luncheon where Christopher Darden spoke and publicly apologized for his unfair criticisms of Judge Ito. We're still waiting to hear from Marcia, who is now a television news commentator in Los Angeles.

As for your complaint that I am "condescend[ing]," you are hardly the person who ought to complain about that. Your posts reek of your arrogance, and I am only responding to you in kind. Remember, you are the one who initiated the hostile dialogue. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen, crybaby!

This is the last time I will reply to you 144 .- - heathen

Given the quality of your previous responses, that's probably a good idea.

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OJ makes me sick

by hannibal in

did anyone see oj simpson on espn last night?.

dan patrick interveiwed that scumbag.dan asked him... .

ya, so do you still spend money trying to find nicoles killer?.

144thousand_and_one

I think fuhrman had good reason to jump the fence .I think cops are allowed to do that, if say they hear a cry for help. -- heathen

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, heathen, but this is the United States of America, and our government is based on a document known as the Constitution. The 4th Amendment protects us from unreasonable searches and seizures, and our Supreme Court has interpreted that to mean that a search warrant is required before searching private property unless the situation falls within a few, narrowly-defined exceptions. The glove was admitted into evidence via the "exigent circumstances" exception, which is only to be used where the police officer has reasonable basis to believe that a person's life is in imminent danger. "Imminent" has been interpreted to apply when a cop sees someone holding a knife to another's neck, etc.. In the OJ case, there were no real indications of imminent danger to human life. When Furhman jumped that fence, all on his own (where were the other cops?), he did so many hours after the crime had been committed. He could easily have obtained a search warrant; it takes less than an hour. Yet he chose to disregard the 4th Amendment.

I think it is a total sham that just because a white person uses the N word that some how he is demonized to the point of losing all credibility as a Law enforcement officer. - - heathen

In addition to using the "N" word multiple times, he lied on the stand and claimed that he didn't. Witnesses can be impeached by demonstrating the falsehood of their testimony as well as demonstrating bias. Here, not only did he lie, but he also used racial slurs, so the jury was correct in disregarding his testimony.

So, Heathen, you think law enforcement officers that use the "N" word in their speech should be given credibility? Do you wear a hood and robe as well?

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Would some of us be better off as Witnesses?

by Jerry Bergman in

i have often wondered if many people would be better off if they stayed witnesses.

some people i have known have really gone off the deep end after they left the watchtower.

most all of my family have left now (not due to me as i was cut off from them for years) and many others i know who have left are now bitter atheists or have become pagans and worship stones or new ageers playing with crystals.

144thousand_and_one

144K,
You don't know shit about shit. Your ramblings don't mean nothin'.
Furthermore, you havent read "Outrage" as I suggested. Until you do, you are just making it up.
(Get back to me when you quit talking out of your ass and actually READ something, ie. "Outrage" as I suggested.)
Farkel

Any more challenges, Farkel? For those who are interested, you can read the subject thread at http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=42642&site=3

Edited by - 144thousand_and_one on 19 December 2002 13:43:7

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Would some of us be better off as Witnesses?

by Jerry Bergman in

i have often wondered if many people would be better off if they stayed witnesses.

some people i have known have really gone off the deep end after they left the watchtower.

most all of my family have left now (not due to me as i was cut off from them for years) and many others i know who have left are now bitter atheists or have become pagans and worship stones or new ageers playing with crystals.

144thousand_and_one

Christians in particular, tend to attack the messenger instead of the message. - - Farkel

I guess that means Farkel is probably a christian.

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OJ makes me sick

by hannibal in

did anyone see oj simpson on espn last night?.

dan patrick interveiwed that scumbag.dan asked him... .

ya, so do you still spend money trying to find nicoles killer?.

144thousand_and_one

Heathen,

I don't recall making any representations that I am "Sherlock Holmes," but thanks for your clarification. I'm going to assume this statement was included in your post as a lame effort to demonstrate some wit, instead of the initial impression I had that you were attempting to debate using personal attacks.

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OJ makes me sick

by hannibal in

did anyone see oj simpson on espn last night?.

dan patrick interveiwed that scumbag.dan asked him... .

ya, so do you still spend money trying to find nicoles killer?.

144thousand_and_one

Heathen,

Furhman lied on the stand, and was caught. California jury instructions provide that the jury may discredit the entire testimony of a witness if any portion of his testimony is proven to be false. Additionally, Furhman chose to enter OJ's property all alone, despite the existence of ample time to obtain a search warrant and a lack of real evidence suggesting that someone's life was in imminent danger. I found much of his testimony to be absolutely lacking in credibility, and his justification for violating OJ's 4th Amendment rights sounded like it was being read from a law school hornbook (the "exigent circumstances" exception).

144thousand_and_one

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