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10 Years out of the JW Organization- What I've Learned ( For what it's Worth)

by flipper in

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10 years ago i stopped attending jehovah's witness meetings for good.

walked out of the kingdom hall cold turkey never to return based on injustices i observed among others and myself at the hands of elders giving out not god's counsel but personal opinions as counsel .

some of them weren't even giving out wt society counsel- just personal opinions.

Legacy

@Flipper,

Thanks for replying to my comment. I think I have the org. pretty much figured out. I will never say never, like Peter said, he would NEVER DENY JESUS..but he did...that's why Jesus asked him 3 times did he love him...so even though Peter denied him 3 times...he did kind of negate with the Love, Anyways, I hope & pray not to become cult minded. I have been through some bad marriages & relationships, not the kind that will put you in victim services but just bad choices..& somehow I have come out still happy & not too jaded, just more careful. So if Man, did not suck me into hating men because of my bad choices....I think God gave me something (JOY, & it's not up for grabs)& he is protecting me...God takes care of fools & children & I'm a little of both. I'm there because I like my congregation, on the surface they are just regular folks, guess if you get to know them, that's another story all together. The truth led me to the Truth...I read the bible as life lessons, nothing more. Love they neighbor & Love God/Jesus....simple message & mankind just can't seem to get that message...God/Jesus isn't asking for what man is asking for..Man would want you to recite the "Lords Prayer" backwards & standing on one foot...to them that would be acceptable to God....God, just wants us to love one another & stop trying to convince one another their way of worshipping is right...to me as long as you believe in something bigger than yourself, you are as balanced as you can be.

Anytime man puts his hands in anything....they mess it up...it's not the hall or the churches that keep folks out...it's the people...

Hope to dialogue with you some more...love your comments...& everybody elses's too....All very insightful...Keeps me balanced.

Legacy

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10 Years out of the JW Organization- What I've Learned ( For what it's Worth)

by flipper in

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friends

10 years ago i stopped attending jehovah's witness meetings for good.

walked out of the kingdom hall cold turkey never to return based on injustices i observed among others and myself at the hands of elders giving out not god's counsel but personal opinions as counsel .

some of them weren't even giving out wt society counsel- just personal opinions.

Legacy

Hi,

I'm a newby baptized....I did all my research about the org. before I got in. All you say is true. I'm pretty up in age & have been to many places of worship and none of them have the truth...Why I have noticed in the ORG., most folks have found somewhere, where they have been accepted. Wild horses couldn't push them away. Child abusers, wife abusers, etc. They have found a place where nobody cares who they are. They can hide their criminal ways in the org. When a knock came at the door of an abusers, it wasn't so much they were interested in the truth but that someone knocked on their door & took an interest in them. Folks that have criminal behavior were that way before they came in the truth. The org. is very accepting as long as you are. As Flipper says, as long as you are doing the WT dog & pony show. The org. appeals to those who have an elite'ist gene. As I have said all over this forum, it's not the doctrine it's belonging to an org. that they think that God is in charge of, that is what floats their boat.

I love my congregation & try to stay away from the pettiness, & as 1 Thes. 4:11 says, Mind MY Business. Oh yeah, they'll try to drag a person into some mess if you allow it..they have tried. Telling me secrets to see if I would tell, nope, not me. It's just a little Peyton Place. Many of them think much of themselves, they like judge. When they start to talk about other religions, I just say, I don't judge them because I don't want them to judge me. We don't know who God will save, that is not our job. After the word judge...is a period...& what's ever so sobering is when the scriptures say....don't judge of God will judge you, but somehow they don't see that, only when they are reminded, which we get the same reminders all the time. When are we going to graduate....When we are young are parents remind us of, to put on our boots when it rains, carry an unbrella, now they will tell you until you old enough...When will witnesses be old enough.

At times I wonder why I am there, maybe I'm there to show them the fruitage of the spirit. I try to show by example, it's hopeless to try to tell them anything, they are the new chosen ones by God, the Jews have been kicked to the curb. Flipper, I hope one day, I'll get the nerve to leave. I love God/Jesus, but if I stay in the org....in a while..not so much....I keep reading this forum just to make sure I'm ok & that I know what I'm reading..thank you all for you comments...I will always try to say NO THANK YOU WHEN THEY PASS OUT THE KOOL-AIDE...

LEGACY

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What's Your Favorite Comfort Food?

by minimus in

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this weekend i had the most delicious chicken pie filled with white meat, a few veggies, gravy and the chicken pie had a hard crust, not puff pastry.

yum!

that with a soft wheat roll and butter......

Legacy

Hi,

My favorite comfort food is Spiritural, without the spoon being spoon fed by the JW's. LIke my comfort spiritual food...RIGHT OUT OF THE BIBLE...STRAIGHT NO CHASER or being chased by the JW's. Other than that...I love White Castle hamburgers, but can't digest red meat any more...boo whoo....ummmm.. let me think what's next...Oh I know...duh ? PIZZA...

Legacy

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The Right Religion Demonstrates True Faith In Jesus Christ

by pronomono in

the week of december 9th, i have the talk "the right religion demonstrates true faith in jesus christ" base on the reasoning book rs p329.

the following is the suggested material.. istruefaithinjesuschristbeingdemonstrated?

this involves appreciation of the value of the sacrifice of jesus human life and of his position today as heavenly king.

Legacy

@pronomono,

Are you the one on this where someone said, my GF has a talk tonight ?...He added a few things...if it is...& copied & pasted it to a word document to make a copy...I read it to a sistet to say...I was practicing...she couldn't really say anything...Glad it went well...

Once a sister said, reason why people think witnesses don't believe in Jesus is because they say Jehovah all the time, but we do imitate him.

Again, glad it went well...I hope you did wake some of them up...but as I said all over this forum, you are not fighting doctrine, you are fighting the fact they are addicted to the fact that it is God's mouthpiece...now if anyone can disprove that ......now that's a miracle...

Legacy

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Who is the FDS class from midweek meeting....last night

by Legacy in

last night we had our midweek meeting.

the bible reading was from "who is doing jehovah's will....the part where they asked who was the fds.

i thought because of the past sept. wt, every hand would go up....all you heard were crickets.

Legacy

Hi,

If the world continues, they are going to have to change it again. To tell you the truth, lol the Truth, had to say that....Most witnesses don't even care. This is God's mouthpiece & that's all that matters. I'm so silly...I should know they could pull the curtain back & there would be 8 ole men drinking coca cola & eating breakfast bars telling folks how to live...Oh yeah, the men behind the curtain have 8 dancing ladies...got to keep them ole men perky, ya know..

Also on this site someone had to help his GF with a talk last night...the one about being in the true religion re: Jesus, can't rightly remember...I made a copy of it & called one of the sisters & said, just for practice I did the talk & I read it to her...crickets & UMMMMM....I think witnesses miss the point about Jesus...& while we are in the Hebrew scriptures it makes them uneasy....because they know what they read but they don't really recognize Jesus the way God intends..do they ?

Legacy

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Who is the FDS class from midweek meeting....last night

by Legacy in

last night we had our midweek meeting.

the bible reading was from "who is doing jehovah's will....the part where they asked who was the fds.

i thought because of the past sept. wt, every hand would go up....all you heard were crickets.

Legacy

Hi,

Last night we had our midweek meeting. The bible reading was from "Who is doing Jehovah's will....The part where they asked who was the FDS. I thought because of the past Sept. WT, every hand would go up....All you heard were crickets. One hand went up & said the annointed. My oh My, what is in the minds of witnesses now...they don't know who the FDS class is ? They are so confused they have no idea who the FDS class is...NOW. They are too afraid to even think that a bunch of old men are giving us the spiritual food. I was sitting next to an elder & his wife..they didn't even flinch or even look to see if ANY hands were raised...Why didn't they raise their hands, I know why? The don't know anymore. The society has tossed arond the friends like waves. Where is their smugness now ? All knowing witnesses, they know everything, even the things God, didn't tell anyone...Like when is the end of this system. The know more than God, & Jesus...

Anyone go to the meeting last night? How was the participation ?

Legacy

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Need help to do a "talk"!

by ILoveTTATT in

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the talk is called "the right religion demonstrates true faith in christ".

i have to help my fading gf give the talk.

if you have any subtle "apostate" ideas, i would appreciate them.. here is what i would like to say:.

Legacy

Hi IloveTTATT, & all

I have my meeting tonight I copied & pasted your talk...It is great & hope it does open some eyes...this is what JW's think, they worship Jehovah but respect & imitate Jesus. Satan approached Jesus many times.., yet I do remember Satan approaching God in the book of Job. They also feel that Satan doesn't care if you worship Jesus, as long as you don't God. I don't know what they think of the scripture that says, "Jesus is the way"...I think that whatever other religions do, JW's have decided to do the opposite. We are going thru the Greek scriptures very quickly, but when going thru the Hebrew scriptures, we only read a few chapters at a time but with the Greek, we are doing a drive-by. This is to take the focus off of Jesus & to keep the mind control. Because some of them might just wake up & say, Hey, something isn't right here. What I get from this Jesus thing is that God came up with something different & just wondering if us humans can change. First he said to worship him, then when Jesus came he said, you can still worship me but you have to recognize my Son as well, if you don't then you don't recognize me. It's like going into an office & wanting to speak to the CEO & he says, you have to talk to my secretary, if she thinks it's ok, then you can come in. The Greek scriptures make witnesses uneasy, I can see that at the meetings. Because deep in their minds, they know...we ain't focusing on the right dude. Hope to hear how it turns out. Just thought of a funny, suppose who has the parts tonight don't show up, I made 2 copies, you never know, they may need someone to volunteer, don't think I won't use your talk..

Do you think the JW's org will ever fall ?

Legacy

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Today's Daily Text is a Convoluted Mess

by TTATTelder in

wednesday, december 11. his heart did not prove to be complete with jehovah.1 ki.

will we let solomons course be a warning example for us?

(1 ki.

Legacy

@ Truthseekeriam,

"I feel sorry for the women stuck in this religion". So true. I have been there at the hall for a while now. There are so many ladies looking for a mate. The only way you can get one is if you are young, because the young ones hang together or if you bring your own man. Some got married just because...if you see some of the couples in their you wonder to yourself, wow, what did they see in each other. Some are married in name only. There are not too many males attracted to the Truth. Why? How many men do any of us know that would stand on line to be celibate ? Every now & again, the brothers are told to try to appeal to more males. Still men are not attracted to the JW's, maybe only married men, they are safe & can follow the orgs. rules. When a brother comes to talk at Sunday meetings, all the ladies look at the brothers 3rd finger, left hand..100% of the time..they are married. If you are single & in the truth, you better be happy you are single...because that's the way it's going to be.

Legacy

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Conversation-stopper STOPPERS needed!

by DS211 in

i have to get active.

my wife told me we have hospitality this weekend and i know the jw slingshot mechanism will engage after attendance.

so i have to get ready.

Legacy

Hi,

Here's one that I always comment on, on this site...."If this was not God's organization, would you still stay & if so, do you stay because it is" ?

I find whenever I talk to witnesses all they say is...THIS IS THE TRUTH & THIS IS GOD'S ORGANIZATION...it's not the doctrine, it's not anything we think it is...it's the fact that they believe it's God's Mouthpiece. The org. gives you a sense of belonging & being chosen. That's most of their foundation. There is a certain type that is attracted to this type of worship...I can't put my finger on it as of yet, but it's coming into view...Many have given up on mostly everything & everybody, so the Org. is all they have, & there is nothing that can happen to move them. They know about the child abuse, they know about the UN, the know about Bethel, they know that their doctrine changes, they know some get DF'd & some just get a slap on the wrist...they know all this but what keeps them there is, This is their world & they gave up all to belong to the org. There are so many that you can say, but to me this is their foundation & their claim to fame...I'm just saying.

Legacy

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Today's Daily Text is a Convoluted Mess

by TTATTelder in

wednesday, december 11. his heart did not prove to be complete with jehovah.1 ki.

will we let solomons course be a warning example for us?

(1 ki.

Legacy

@ Terry, & All

"The text, as it is, gives one the impression you can get away with something.

And guess what? You CAN!: &&&& This is why you can...Eccl 3:1-8:

There is an appointed time for everything, A time for every activity under the heavens: 2 A time for birth and a time to die; A time to plant and a time to uproot what was planted; 3 A time to kill and a time to heal; A time to tear down and a time to build up; 4 A time to weep and a time to laugh; A time to wail and a time to dance;* 5 A time to throw stones away and a time to gather stones together; A time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing; 6 A time to search and a time to give up as lost; A time to keep and a time to throw away; 7 A time to rip apart+ and a time to sew together; A time to be silent+ and a time to speak;+ 8 A time to love and a time to hate;+ A time for war and a time for peace.

What this scripture really says, is...YOU CAN DO ANYTHING & EVERYTHING...WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT...& if the JW police don't get you. The daily text are to keep you mind in control ....DAILY...more information, to make a JW think more highly of themselves. Today's text is about...keeping your entire being with God, your entire life/heart should be on & with God. Don't marry anyone that isn't God fearing or a JW, that's the moral of the story. Don't be like Solomon, he was good 'til he started messing with women who were not God fearing...

Legacy