Posts by pronomono

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AGM is not streamed live, but a download.

by SyntaxError1974 in

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there have been several posts where individuals are asking if it is possible to hack into and watch the agm as it is streamed to the conventions.

i say it is not streamed live like many are assuming, but a recorded download played for the audience.. why?

a live stream has many possible points of failure.

pronomono

Here's the deal. The first session on Saturday "may" be live. There's a lot of talk about whether or not it will be. I've always heard the meetings took place on Friday, but maybe this year is an exception. The next three sessions cannot be live and have not been advertised as such.

Bobcat is right about the box. http://www.aminocom.com/ That's the link for the box that I've seen our elders talk about. It has no download functionality, only streaming, on the models being sent to the KHs. Someone on here posted a link earlier to a streaming site on jw.org. It may connect to that, but who knows. The boxes that have been sent out are hard wired. Most congregations are running ethernet cable in preparation of this. Some of the less savy ones are running the cables along the floor and covering it with duct tape. Since it is hard-wired and bandwidth doesn't need to be compromised, wireless is being turned off to prevent cell phones, tablets, etc from stealing internet bandwidth and causing problems for the stream. There's going to be a lot of people at these things. Having a hundred extra devices on a home office grade networking equipment would be detrimental to the quality of service.

The big surprise everyone is looking forward to? It's a Bible. You'll have to wait two hours into the program. It'll be announced after song 75, then elders will bum rush everyone to get them out within 5 minutes. Supposedly they will be wrapped in plastic. If you really want to get on their nerves, take the plastic wrapping off before they tell you to.

Sorry to spoil the fun, but the above is fact, as I have no reason to believe the elder would just make this up.. One of our elders accidentally slipped in casual conversation. It was really easy to put the rest of the pieces together after that. His lips were mum after that. I couldn't get him to tell me any more such as what's changed in the bible, such as new version? new name? simplified/children's edition?

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is Superman an angel ?

by bigmac in

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is superman really an angel--?.

he is from outer space.. he can fly.

he has superhuman powers-------what do you think bros?.

pronomono

That face looks pretty angelic to me.

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Ray Franz blamed for 1975 false prophecy

by EndofMysteries in

i was raised a jw and as a kid my family made brief mention of apostates in bethel that falsely prophecied about 1975 and were kicked out of bethel.

i was shocked after i got out and learned that him being removed had absolutely nothing to do with 1975. i think that partial lie spread is what kept my relatives in.

1975 a big let down/false prophecy, then they are told that a governing body member and many in bethel are found apostate and cleaned out, etc.

pronomono

Even if apostates wrote it, the governing body is responsible for reviewing all literature that is to be approved for printing. They can't deny responsibility in any event, but alas they have and most JWs buy into it. The Society claims that some had unreasonable expectations for that year. That was true. They failed to mention that they were the cause of those unreasonable expectations and try to imply that it originated in the R&F.

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Ray Franz blamed for 1975 false prophecy

by EndofMysteries in

i was raised a jw and as a kid my family made brief mention of apostates in bethel that falsely prophecied about 1975 and were kicked out of bethel.

i was shocked after i got out and learned that him being removed had absolutely nothing to do with 1975. i think that partial lie spread is what kept my relatives in.

1975 a big let down/false prophecy, then they are told that a governing body member and many in bethel are found apostate and cleaned out, etc.

pronomono

It wouldn't be surprising if that came out as the "official" statement in another 10 years or so, especially now that he has passed and is unable to defend himself.

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Quick Poll - How many are...

by mrhhome in

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how many here are (a) ex-jw, (b) non-jw with jw relatives or spouses, (c) inactive jw, or (d) active jw who stay in for your own reasons?.

pronomono

Can I say all of the above?

A) In my heart, I'm definitely an ex-JW.

B) As an ex, I'm a non-JW, but have a mother, sister, and wife that are still in, as well as a very close friend.

C) Technically, I'm inactive, because most of the time I count for witnessing probably wouldn't be allowed and I didn't knock on one door for the past two months.

D) But on paper I get a few hours a month that says I'm active, only because my conscience allows me to count a lot of informal witnessing that the elders probably wouldn't allow if they knew.

I do it all for the family, but probably not much longer. My best friend is already joking about me being an apostate. Hopefully, the jokes will help him get past shunning me when that time comes.

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I had a dream...

by pronomono in

i had an interesting dream last night.. in my dream, i decided to visit another church for the first time, although i'm not sure what denomination this church was.

as we were leaving from the sunday morning service, i saw my long-time friend and mentor (let's call hime bro.

wales).

pronomono

I had an interesting dream last night.

In my dream, I decided to visit another church for the first time, although I'm not sure what denomination this church was. As we were leaving from the Sunday morning service, I saw my long-time friend and mentor (let's call hime Bro. Wales). I stopped Bro. Wales to see how he was doing and what he was doing here, asking polite non-invasive questions to get the information I was seeking. Turns out he stopped going to the KH months ago due to issues that he had seen as an elder. After deep prayer and meditation, he came to the conclusion that in the end, we all have to answer to God and Jesus, and because of this we must maintain a clean conscience. He couldn't do that and stay at the KH with the issues that he had discovered. We took a minute and talked about old times and how our families were. In the end, I asked how he was dealing with the elders from his old congregation, and he said that he simply moved to another state. He thought it better to remove himself from the situation.

Then in my dream, I went to sleep and woke up to complete destruction. Helicopters were flying overhead. Explosions were shaking the ground. My wife and I went outside and got in our car to see what was happening. We were stopped at an army checkpoint where we were hurried into a refuge camp. Then dinosaurs appeared, ravaging the camp. My wife and I escaped on a small boat and went downstream to a neighboring village, where we met a kind lady that gave us a room for the night and showed us her invention of a clock that works by measuring the earth's electromagnetic frequencies at the various stages of earth's 24-hour rotation.

Then my alarm clock went off. Yeah, I have some pretty wild dreams. I had a very vivid imagination as a child that still haunts me a night, but the first half of my dream made a lot of sense to me. If you can't fulfill your obligations to your current church in good conscience, how can you ever expect to have God's favor?

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Cheers! Here's to lost opportunities and forgotten memories.

by pronomono in

it's 1am and i'm halfway through a glass of brandy.

i've been cleaning out the closet (literally), and reminiscing about old times and decisions i didn't make.

it's times like these i regret being brought up as a witness the most.

pronomono

We all truly do have a lot to be thankful for.

This morning was better than the other. The results of cleaning out the closet, past memories and relics, were picked up with the usual household garbage and are on their way to the landfill. It's hard to move on when you have pictures, notes, and other items with memories attached close to your heart. Getting rid of these items, for me, was a necessary step in moving on..... and it feels good. I wound up with a big yard trash garbage bag full of junk and a lot less clutter.

This has really been an encouraging thread for me to read. Thank you all for making it what it is.

On a side note, my best friend called me out on being apostate the other night while we were talking about the new light. I brought up the question with these new changes, how can we know for sure what else we believe needs to be changed and how it will be interesting to see what new changes come about. He jokingly said that I was losing my faith and would soon be apostate. It was a joke, but he probably doesn't realize how close he is to the truth.

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Cheers! Here's to lost opportunities and forgotten memories.

by pronomono in

it's 1am and i'm halfway through a glass of brandy.

i've been cleaning out the closet (literally), and reminiscing about old times and decisions i didn't make.

it's times like these i regret being brought up as a witness the most.

pronomono

Thanks for the kind words and encouragement all. I'm sorry to hear about your sister, LoisLane. My thoughts are with you.

I really do have a lot to be thankful for. I know my thoughts and feelings aren't unique. Looking over previous posts is encouraging seeing what you all have done to cope. It's just different when you are the one fighting the emotions and mental anguish. As has been said before by others one foot in and one foot out the door, it's a lose-lose situation. But by staying in the organization, you lose more. Learning to cope with the immediate losses and moving on from past regrets is the toughest part for me.

Thanks, all.

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Cheers! Here's to lost opportunities and forgotten memories.

by pronomono in

it's 1am and i'm halfway through a glass of brandy.

i've been cleaning out the closet (literally), and reminiscing about old times and decisions i didn't make.

it's times like these i regret being brought up as a witness the most.

pronomono

Thanks, Simon. I needed that. The first two verses hit the nail on the head. It's time for a change in outlook.

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Cheers! Here's to lost opportunities and forgotten memories.

by pronomono in

it's 1am and i'm halfway through a glass of brandy.

i've been cleaning out the closet (literally), and reminiscing about old times and decisions i didn't make.

it's times like these i regret being brought up as a witness the most.

pronomono

It's 1am and I'm halfway through a glass of brandy. I've been cleaning out the closet (literally), and reminiscing about old times and decisions I didn't make. It's times like these I regret being brought up as a witness the most. I love my wife, but she's not the one I'd have chosen if it wasn't for my faith. Looking through old school albums, seeing my best high school "girl" friend and now seeing her 10 years later on FB, I wish that I had taken that leap, forsaken my faith for love. It would have been worth it for her. But alas, I'm stuck in the here and now. Bottoms up. Here's to love lost and missed opportunities thanks to the WTBTS. Love you all.