Posts by Schizm

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What 'exactly' changed in Adam when he sinned?

by gumby in

according to the dubs, and other faiths, adam was created with no defects of any kind.

he was created with no sin.

then adam sinned.

Schizm

Here's that post of mine which AlanF found he couldn't deal with:

Hi AlanF,
: Also, since we have to eat in order to stay alive then it seems that *food* is the key to continual life.
Not at all. We breath air and we drink water in order to stay alive, but you're not proposing that *air* and *water* are keys to continual life. You're not arguing logically. Lack of any of these will kill us, but it doesn't follow that a sufficient supply or a supply of "the right kind" will allow us to live forever.
It is true that we also need air and water in order to stay alive. However, the "key" to continuous life without ever dying is Biblically linked to *food*. Nothing was said about any "air of life" or "water of life" there in the Genesis account. It was a "tree of life" which Adam was no longer allowed to EAT from, and which finally led to his death.
:All that we're told is that Adam and Eve themselves were allowed to do so.--Schizm
No, Genesis doesn't say that. You're jumping to a conclusion.--AlanF
According to Genesis 2:16, 17 Adam had permission to eat from "every" tree of the garden, except for ONE particular tree. So, how can you say that Genesis doesn't say that Adam had permission to eat from the tree of life?
From what's been said so far I see no reason to ditch my original statements. Which were in two parts, as follows:
[1] I believe that the "tree of life" contained the unique ingredients that Adam & Eve needed in order to sustain their lives forever. I also believe that they were at least periodically eating from this tree, for the reason that the other tree was the only one of the two that was off-grounds for them. It was only AFTER they disobeyed that they were prevented from eating of the tree of life any longer. Had they not disobeyed it appears that they would have continued to live for as long as they replenished the needs of their bodies by consuming the essential ingredients that could be found in the tree of life alone.
No question about it, they had permission to eat of the tree of life.
The fruit from the tree of life really had life-sustaining ingredients.
The fruit from the "other" tree was simply good for food, just plain ole food, and to eat from it was to disobey God and merit not being worthy of eating of the tree of life any longer.
So Adam and Eve would still be alive today had they not been disallowed from eating from the tree of life.
We die for the same reason that Adam and Eve died ... because we need the ingredients from the tree of life and aren't getting them.
[2] We die for the same reasons that Adam and Eve died. Namely, because we need the ingredients found in the tree of life, and can't have them. The reason we can't have them is because we fail to be fully righteous. We fail to be fully righteous because our fathers were unable to inculcate this quality into us by way of teaching us properly. Our fathers were unable to teach us properly because their fathers were just as incapable ... and so on all the way back to Adam. Ultimately it can all be blamed on "sin". Person's who "sin" aren't worthy of eating from the tree of life. Once we've been helped to overcome our sinfulness then we will be allowed to eat from the tree of life. That's apparently the reason for the mention of the "trees of life" in the book of Revelation. It has nothing at all to do with genes!
I look forward to any further comments that you may make.
Thanks,
Schizm

I asked AlanF why he didn't reply to my comments, and this is what he said:

: Also, I had hoped that you would've made it back in order to offer a reply to my last post, addressed to you, but you never replied.
I chose not to because you simply danced around my points, and I don't much feel like dancing with people about this topic. Really, since I believe it's like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, I'll take the time only as long as I have nothing more pressing to do. It's only of minor academic interest.

For any of you who might not recognize it, this tactic, as used by AlanF, is as old as the hills. The idea is to make it appear that the other person is the one who is side-stepping the issue when in fact it's ole AlanF himself that's doing all the side-stepping. And please note the part above which I've put in extra-large red font. Of course you'll never catch AlanF having the humility to acknowledge that he had been proven wrong there. Why that might hurt his widdle image.

Schizm

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What 'exactly' changed in Adam when he sinned?

by gumby in

according to the dubs, and other faiths, adam was created with no defects of any kind.

he was created with no sin.

then adam sinned.

Schizm

Gumby,

It's alright if you don't participate.......which is why as I stated in my post earlier that anyone could answer if you didn't wish to participate. I thought I made that clear?

Yes, Gumby, you did in fact make it clear.

You had said:

Well, if schizm does't wish to partricipate any further.....perhaps another may wish to answer these questions.

Problem is, I'm the one that knows the answer to each and every one of Farkel's questions, and I'm not talking. Why? Because he killed this thread, insofar as me having any input into it any longer. I had fully intended to address every supposed problem that he had posed, until he proved to be so ridiculous about the word "reply".

Schizm

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What 'exactly' changed in Adam when he sinned?

by gumby in

according to the dubs, and other faiths, adam was created with no defects of any kind.

he was created with no sin.

then adam sinned.

Schizm

Gumby,

If it's as you imply, that the continuation of this thread is dependent upon a discussion between Farkel and I, then you might as well consider this thread to have come to an end--because I will no longer speak to the man. I thought I had already made that clear enough.

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Gasoline May 19

by Schizm in

jw
friends

i had this sent to me this morning via e-mail.

in the subject line it said: "see if you agree.

this came from my aunt in calif. gasoline may 19.

Schizm

Gespro,

We tried to do this last year, the year before that and the year before that but it seems to get no where. That kind of mass cooperation isn't going to happen here because there really isn't a united state. Can someone explain why this will never work?

Perhaps the price of gasoline isn't high enough YET?

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Gasoline May 19

by Schizm in

jw
friends

i had this sent to me this morning via e-mail.

in the subject line it said: "see if you agree.

this came from my aunt in calif. gasoline may 19.

Schizm

Truthseeker,

Just another email hoax.
If they were serious, they would pick a date not so in the immediate future. Give people a chance.. But that would give crudulity to the hoax.

I really don't know when this first started being circulated. It just happened to reach me today. I doubt that it's a hoax. What I wonder about is whether or not there could be any possible negative repercussions from something like this. Is there a way that this could backfire on people, and they wind up paying even more for gasoline?

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Gasoline May 19

by Schizm in

jw
friends

i had this sent to me this morning via e-mail.

in the subject line it said: "see if you agree.

this came from my aunt in calif. gasoline may 19.

Schizm

I had this sent to me this morning via e-mail. In the subject line it said: "S ee if you agree. This came from my aunt in calif. Gasoline May 19."

IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID NOT PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE OIL COMPANIES WOULD CHOKE ON THEIR STOCKPILES. AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET LOSS OF OVER 4.6 BILLION DOLLARS WHICH AFFECTS THE BOTTOM LINES OF THE OIL COMPANIES.

THEREFORE MAY 19TH HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED "STICK IT UP THEIR behind " DAY AND THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION SHOULD NOT BUY A SINGLE DROP OF GASOLINE THAT DAY. THE ONLY WAY THIS CAN BE DONE IS IF YOU FORWARD THIS E-MAIL TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN AND AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN TO GET THE WORD OUT. WAITING ON THIS ADMIINSTRATION TO STEP IN AND CONTROL THE PRICES IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REDUCTION AND CONTROL IN PRICES THAT THE ARAB NATIONS PROMISED TWO WEEKS AGO?

REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP BUT AT THE
SAME TIME AIRLINES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES, TRUCKING COMPANIES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES WHICH EFFECTS PRICES ON EVERYTHING THAT IS SHIPPED. THINGS LIKE FOOD, CLOTHING, BUILDING MATERIALS, MEDICAL SUPPLIES ETC. WHO PAYS IN THE END? WE DO! WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER ONE DAY, WE WILL DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.

SO DO YOUR PART AND SPREAD THE WORD. FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW. MARK YOUR CALENDARS AND MAKE MAY 19TH A DAY THAT THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES SAY "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"

25

Johnny Cash

by Schizm in

any johnny cash fans here?

if not, shame on the forum!

the late, great johnny cash was born and raised in arkansas, and by the time he was a mere 12 years of age, he was already writing his own songs.

Schizm

For any who might be interested:

Kathy, Cindy, Joanne Cash Yates and Tommy Cash will be joining Bill Miller as guests on Larry King Live next Wednesday, May 26 at 6:00 PM Pacific Standard Time to discuss "Cash: An American Man."

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Going under "the knife" in about 6 and a half hours.

by gumby in

jw
friends

well, it's time.

monday morning the 17th at 6 am i go in for ye ol' hernia operation.

i asked to be put "out" as i had the option for staying partially awake.

Schizm

Well I'll be @#X%!!! Gumby, I just noticed this thread. You no sooner get out of one tight spot than you're right back into another one. *LOL* Glad that you're okay, and the healing process has begun.

Schizm

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Will the bully be punished?

by Schizm in

jw
friends

the following two reports are about a 13-year-old jw boy who finally struck back at the one who bullied him for 2 years.

you will notice that neither report says anything at all about any sort of punishment being meted out to the bully.

the victim is to be punished while the real villain got off scot-free ... without even a slap on the wrist.

Schizm

Glitter,

You have my respect, dear one. I plan to do the same here in a little while.

Schizm

13

Will the bully be punished?

by Schizm in

jw
friends

the following two reports are about a 13-year-old jw boy who finally struck back at the one who bullied him for 2 years.

you will notice that neither report says anything at all about any sort of punishment being meted out to the bully.

the victim is to be punished while the real villain got off scot-free ... without even a slap on the wrist.

Schizm

But Tanner also said students who are being attacked by bullies are only allowed to restrain their attacker or ask for help from a teacher.

"Students cannot fight back," Tanner said. "Violence is not the answer to bullying."Oh for crying out loud - someone ought to subject her to the sort of abuse this poor lad's gone through and see how easy she finds it not to defend herself; telling a teacher obviously did *loads* of good in this case.

It appears that the teachers weren't really trying to intercede in the boy's behalf. Perhaps it's because the teachers are also prejudiced against JWs, with the result that they turned a blind eye to what they knew was going on and deliberately allowed the bullies to persecute this kid. Most teachers know that JWs won't salute the flag, nor defend their country in time of war. Although I don't think they'd ever come right out and admit to it, there are many teachers who really feel a disdain for JWs. Most teachers are highly patriotic, and as a result probably sympathize with what Merle Haggard said in a song: "They love our milk and honey, but they don't believe in fighting." There are many school teachers who are illiterate when it comes to properly handling situations like the above, and the same can be said of many school administrators.

Schizm