Posts by 95stormfront

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What made you leave the "truth"??

by NaruNaruChan in

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what made you leave the borg?

95stormfront

The doctrinal flip-flops were only a small part of me leaving. I fell hook line and sinker for their "new light" conceptaul bull****.

What finally got me going was the feeling that more and more, I was loosing control over my life and allowing it to be run by whatever was the "opinion of the day" of the congregation and elders. Too many people who knew nothing about me making life and death decisions for me. And when I decided that I needed to go back to school, having elders breathing down my back implying that I was wasting my time.

That finally set me off.

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Sister needs help getting her brother out of the borg. HELP!

by NaruNaruChan in

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i have a friend whose brother is still in the organization.

she wants nothing more than for him to leave.. but he's stuck on his girlfriend who is a dub.

can you guys give me some tips on how to get him out, such as subtle hints, or scriptures she can look up?

95stormfront

She wants nothing more than for him to leave.. but he's stuck on his girlfriend who is a dub.

Ahhhh....young lust. I guess there's nothing like having some sweet young thang flaring your nose wide open thinking you're gonna "get some" when all along her real intentions are to get you into the "troof" before she'll have anything further to do with you.

This is an easy one........

If she was a true dub she wouldn't be having anything to do with a brotha who's not already "spiritually strong" and on the fasttrack to elderhood, and she knows it. This literally smells of a relationship incognita. Get him to get his girlfriend to introduce him to the elders as her boyfriend. This should put her on the hotseat on who she'll choose when it comes right down to it and get the elders in the mood to deal with this renegade sister who's actions have the potential to bring divisions and reproach upon the congregation.

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Jehovah Witness Assembly

by ClassAvenger in

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im going to a jw assembly tomorrow.

i just agreed to go with my jw friend for the heck of it, but what may i expect from going?

anything interesting you guys want to point out that usually happens in one of these reunions?

95stormfront

It all starts out so innocently - an assembly tomorrow, next week it will be the Sunday meeting, then, before you know it you will be going door-to-door again.

It sure does. When my wife started studying I was so sure that it wasn't for me. Going to a meeting here and there, an occasional assembly trying to be of help to my wife, being inundated with smiling faces and handshakes....it all seemed so benign at first. At the end of one year, in my ignorance I actually arranged for my own study.

What tha F%$& was I thinking........

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 10-5-03 WT Study

by blondie in

wt article quotes are in

quotes from other wt publications are in

we have been encouraged to do everything possible (a "do more" phrase) to promote true worship so that we may walk in god's name forever.. .

95stormfront

Consider just one example. In June of 2001, a tropical storm caused massive flooding in Texas, U.S.A., damaging thousands of homes, including hundreds of homes of Jehovah's Witnesses. To help their Christian brothers in need, some 10,000 Witnesses willingly and freely offered their time and energy. For more than half a year, volunteers worked tirelessly, using their days, nights, and weekends to rebuild 8 Kingdom Halls and over 700 homes for their Christian brothers. Those who could not do such work donated food, supplies, and money. Why did all these thousands of Witnesses come to the aid of their brothers? Because they "love kindness." And how heartwarming it is to know that such deeds of loving-kindness are shown by our brothers worldwide! Yes, meeting the requirement to "love kindness" is, not a burden, but a joy!
But were any non-JWs helped? Were the JWs who were helped "encouraged" to sign over the insurance money?

Having been "witness" to this particular tragedy the answers to bothese those questions respectively were no and yes. Non-JWs were only helped by proxy if they happened to live in the same house as a "member in good standing". And JWs certainly were squeezed to sign over insurance checks. All I knew who were on the receiving side of this "help" were presented with invoices detailing the cost of supplies used in repairing their homes. And if you didn't pay up timely, you became the receipient of some very uncomfortable "shepherding calls". I know brothers and sisters who played the HBH (home but hiding) game with visiting elders because the pressure was so intense.

The WT actions here were not motivated by "loving kindness" more it was an exercise in how much money they could get from donated supplies, money and energy.

BTW, were any witnesses really "encouraged" to donate the insurance money? This is the fist I've heard of this. Please fill me in if anyone has knowledge of this.

Yes they were. There were "brothers" who were allowing their businesses to be used as fronts for contracting companies to expedite the cashing of insurance checks made out to both homeowners and leinholders, leinholders wo required that proof be submitted that work was actually done. Their services were offered on the condition that a percentage of the check be donated to the Soceity.

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My JW Friends reaction to the Vicki Boer press release

by shiloh in

i forwarded the press release to my jw friend yesterday afternoon and we talked about later that evening when i saw her.

i could see that she was confused and somewhat bewildered.

she first wanted to know more details about the case itself and when i supplied them, she became even more confused.

95stormfront

For those who want conclusive proof, the law society of Ontario will post the judges decision on its web site. I'm not sure how long this takes. Any member of the public can access it. This is a verbatim copy of the decision from a source that is objective and credible.

Please post this as soon as it's available. I'd surely like to put to rest the credibility of the information of the Soceity's actions on this matter.

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My JW Friends reaction to the Vicki Boer press release

by shiloh in

i forwarded the press release to my jw friend yesterday afternoon and we talked about later that evening when i saw her.

i could see that she was confused and somewhat bewildered.

she first wanted to know more details about the case itself and when i supplied them, she became even more confused.

95stormfront

Your conversation eerrily parrallells the one I had with one of my family members...almost word for word, except the person I was talking to was very defensive. They kept trying to turn the conversation back to what the soceity's official position was on abuse allegations thinking that that was a sufficient answer to my question. They then tried to turn the tables on me by implying that no answer would be good enough that didn't include an admission of wrongdoing by the WTS to which I replied that in the hour we'd been discussing this, this was the one answer they were trying to avoid.

They then turned their attention to the authenticity and the validity of the information itself, implying that it may have come from an apostate. I asked them from whom and what type of information would need to be presented to them that would remove all doubt that the this is what the soceity's action are and gave them the option of would a copy of the judges order be sufficient. They even called that in question claiming that people and judges lie all the time. They wouldn't form an opinion until they heard the soceity's version of events first. I asked them that did they really think that the soceity would publish an article for all to see detailing how they successfully sued a molestation victim who'd won a case against them and why. I asked them point blank how likely is that to happen. I was met with silence.

In the end and assuming the story was true, they were forced to admit that the WT is dead wrong morally in their pursuit of Vicki for damages and that it sets a very bad precedent. They were forced to admit that the motives of the organization itself was suspect and that they would be called into account for their actions by Jehovah himself.

I didn't pursue the matter any further than that. Belonging to the WT organization and believing that it's perfect and speaks for god is probably the single thing that's holding this persons life together at the moment even if it is all one big lie.

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Special Assembly Day report 2003/2004

by truthseeker in

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2003/2004 special assembly day report.

theme: serving jehovah with a complete heart.

brief note: no new light this year, but a couple of new changes i have not seen before.

95stormfront

There is a misconception here that because an assembly is in an JW-owned assembly hall that there is no cost or rental charged. Each circuit that uses the facility pays a set fee designated by the elders that administer the building. A certain amount is charged for utilities as well. This money goes into a fund for regular repairs and remodeling projects over a larger time period.

So, in fact what the WT is doing here once again is "double dipping" into the flocks pockets for what should amount to just a charge for utilities and general wear and tear of a facility for it's very sporadic use by circuits. Hell...I'd speculate that even the ancient Astrodome gets more use than that facility they've built in Rosenburg. The flock is further fleeced by having to "rent" a facility that they have already "donated" money to have built and paid for. And seeing as a circuit has literally no option but to accede to the demands of the WT organization they are a captive tenant. All of this predicated upon the pretense of paying less rent to host a S.A.D, to serve Jehovah and support the worldwide work????

Yeah-----RRRRRRIIiiiiiiiiigggghhhhhhtttttt !!!!!!!!

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the elders left but tinkerbell stayed

by the mole in

***the mole*** a response from comments to my sister on abuse.

several elders showed up to my house last weekend and i had no clue that strong resentment was brewing.

only several weeks has past now and i find myself in a midst of a storm.

95stormfront

I raked my JW wife and brother-in-law over the coals pretty good today about the WT sueing Vicky Boer. She was really upset that I didn't see the WT as the "knight in shining armor" she wanted and no doubt she has scoured her stack of WT rags for articles for me to read to emphasize her point.

I won't be surprised if I get an unexpected visit from the congregations cherished elders about my apostate attitude soon. If so, as soon as my condescending\bullshit detector goes off, I'm throwing their asses out.

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How did you think your family would react?

by shotgun in

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when you had compiled a mountain of evidence proving the wtbts to be a false prophet, blind guide, and definetly not the truth, what did you feel would happen when you presented this information to your dub family and friends?.

i had compiled so much evidence it was overwhelming, i naively thought i would get my family all together and present it and they would say omg we've been lied to this can't be the truth.

then i'd do the same to my dub friends.

95stormfront

My dub relatives refuse to consider any issue where they would be forced to conclude that the WT is not what they claim it to be. They simply can't accept anything else that the WT Organization is being used by Jah and is perfect; that it's the people in it that is the source of the imperfections going on inside.

I've already relayed to my family about how disgusted I was with the WT sueing an abuse victim and all they tried doinig was to place responsibility on the backs of a brother who may have been speaking for the Soceity. Anything....grasping at anything that would shift responsibility away from the soceity or it's policies.

I've come to the conslusion that it will most likely be only after they've been personally pimp-slapped by the organization that they love so dear that they will finally get it.

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Annoying double standard...

by Aztec in

i've watched a little bit of mtv lately and it's been absolutely bugging the crap out of me as i watch these inane music videos: men can be physically unattractive but still talented musically and get recognition, not the same for women!

they have to be perfect looking in every way on top of being able to at least carry a tune.

i'm sick of watching beyonce writhe and christina strut around half naked.

95stormfront

And Alanis Morrisette has a lot more singing ability than Britney Spears....IMHO