Posts by Dansk

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+++ VIGIL - TUESDAY 27TH NOVEMBER +++

by Sad emo in

jw
friends

please join in sending your prayers, good thoughts, reiki, healing vibes, lighting a candle or just taking a moment to think of all those named and unnamed who are fighting cancer or in any other need.

also their loved ones and caregivers.. - has been fighting mantle cell lymphoma for three years.

he received an allogeneic cell transplant and his latest blood and bone marrow results have shown no trace of cancer!!

Dansk

(((((((((((((Emo)))))))))),

I was at the hospital again yesterday and was informed that my CMV levels have gone down so well that at the doctors general discussion group they will be including myself and as to what to do next. One doctor favours taking me off medication that fights the virus, thereby allowing my own immune system to do the fighting for me. This is VERY GOOD NEWS! I'll know today by 'phone what has been decided

I'm still tired (how many times have I written THAT!?) but feeling stronger and REALLY looking forward to having a GREAT Christmas.

Thank you to ((((((((((EVERYONE))))))))))) here for your prayers/vibes/good wishes/Reiki. I have appreciated ALL.

Blessings on our sick ones!

Love,

Ian

xxxxxxxxxxxx

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THIS WILL ONLY INTEREST U K MEMBERS

by BluesBrother in

it seems we gifted croatia a laugh at our expense before the game last wednesday, let alone afterwards !.

e-mail this to a friend printable version anthem gaffe 'lifted croatia' by frank keogh .

if i have offended any croatians, they have my deepest apologies.

Dansk

It's becoming something whan a penis is harder than an English defence!

Ian

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587/607 Question...

by deaconbluez in

if the exile wasn't to be 70 years, how is jeremiah 29:10 explained by pro-587 folks?.

10 "for this is what jehovah has said, in accord with the fulfilling of seventy years at babylon i shall turn my attention to you people, and i will establish toward you my good word in bringing you back to this place.. .

also, if it truly was a 70-year period of servitude, and not exile, when was this 70 years served by other nations?.

Dansk

Double post and I have no reason why?!

Ian

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587/607 Question...

by deaconbluez in

if the exile wasn't to be 70 years, how is jeremiah 29:10 explained by pro-587 folks?.

10 "for this is what jehovah has said, in accord with the fulfilling of seventy years at babylon i shall turn my attention to you people, and i will establish toward you my good word in bringing you back to this place.. .

also, if it truly was a 70-year period of servitude, and not exile, when was this 70 years served by other nations?.

Dansk

JOSEPHUS REFERENCE: Antiquities 10.9.7 "7. And when they were there, God signified to the prophet that the king of Babylon was
about making an expedition against the Egyptians, and commanded him to foretell to the people that Egypt should be taken, and the king
of Babylon should slay some of them and, should take others captive, and bring them to Babylon; which things came to pass accordingly;
for on the fifth year after the destruction of Jerusalem, which was the TWENTY-THIRD of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, he made an
expedition against Celesyria; and when he had possessed himself of it, he made war against the Ammonites and Moabites; and when he had
brought all these nations under subjection, he fell upon Egypt, in order to overthrow it; and he slew the king that then reigned (16) and set up another; and he took those Jews that were there captives, and led them away to Babylon."

The above establishes that the Jews were part of the last deportation in year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar - those Jews who had run down to Egypt who had not been killed off.

BIBLICAL REFERENCES:

First, Jer. 52: 30 establishes a 23rd-year deportation:

29 In the eighteenth year of Neb·u·chad·rez´zar, FROM JERUSALEM there were eight hundred and thirty-two souls.

30 In the twenty-third year of Neb·u·chad·rez´zar, Neb·u´zar·ad´an the chief of the bodyguard took Jews into exile, seven hundred and
forty-five souls."

Thus Josephus and the Bible both mention a 23rd-year deportation, with Josephus establishing those deported were from Babylon.
Jeremiah suggests potentially that the 23rd year deportation was from Jerusalem. But this need not be a contradiction if the Jews
were deported the same 23rd year from Egypt via Jerusalem. Supporting this very conclusion is Jeremiah 44:14 and 28:

JER. 44:14 "And there will come to be no escapee or survivor for the remnant of Judah who are entering in to reside there as aliens, in
the land of Egypt, even to return to the land of Judah to which they are lifting up their soul[ful desire] to return in order to dwell; for they will not return, except some escaped ones.'"

JER. 44:28 "And as for the ones escaping from the sword, they will return from the land of Egypt to the land of Judah, few in number; and all those of the remnant of Judah, who are coming into the land of Egypt to reside there as aliens, will certainly know whose word comes true, that from me or that from them."'"

CONCLUSION: The last deportation of the Jews in year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar were the last remaining ones who had run down to Egypt and who stopped in Judea at least for a short while on their way to Babylon.

This challenges the ScholarJW teaching that the land was completely desolated from year 18 of Nebuchadnezzar. So even though JWs use
Josephus' reference to a literal 70 years of desolation, and indeed, sometimes even Josephus seems to read that the seventy years are
counted from the "conflagration" (destruction of Jerusalem), the specific reference here and at Antiquities 11.1.1 establish the specific 70 years begins in year 23 connected with the last deportation.

ANT 11.1.1 "IN the first year of the reign of Cyrus 1 which was the seventieth from the day that our people were removed out of their own land into Babylon, God commiserated the captivity and calamity of these poor people, according as he had foretold to them by Jeremiah the prophet, before the destruction of the city, that after they had served Nebuchadnezzar and his posterity, and after they had undergone that servitude seventy years, he would restore them again to the land of their fathers, and they should build their temple, and enjoy their ancient prosperity."

Therefore, if ScholarJW is going to quote from Josephus regarding the seventy years, he will have to begin the 70 years when Josephus
does, which is year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar, and further acknowledge that the land was not completely desolated until after the 23rd year
since some of the Jews who had ran down to Egypt did return to Jerusalem for a short while. Therefore, the 1914 doctrine interpretation connected with 607 BCE fall of Jerusalem is 5 years off, since if you date the return of the Jews in 537 BCE, then 607 BCE would represent year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar 70 years earlier rather than year 18, the year Jerusalem falls. That in turn moves year 18 back 5 years to 612 BCE, which also moves 1914 back 5 years to 1909 AD. Of course, I'm sure the cult will find something significant that happened in 1909 that would prove Christ arrived in that year rather than 1914, but even so at the moment as long as they are dating the fall of Jerusalem in 607BCE based upon the seventy-year reference and using Josephus to support that reference, they are in error 5 years.

Ian

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587/607 Question...

by deaconbluez in

if the exile wasn't to be 70 years, how is jeremiah 29:10 explained by pro-587 folks?.

10 "for this is what jehovah has said, in accord with the fulfilling of seventy years at babylon i shall turn my attention to you people, and i will establish toward you my good word in bringing you back to this place.. .

also, if it truly was a 70-year period of servitude, and not exile, when was this 70 years served by other nations?.

Dansk

JOSEPHUS REFERENCE: Antiquities 10.9.7 "7. And when they were there, God signified to the prophet that the king of Babylon was
about making an expedition against the Egyptians, and commanded him to foretell to the people that Egypt should be taken, and the king
of Babylon should slay some of them and, should take others captive, and bring them to Babylon; which things came to pass accordingly;
for on the fifth year after the destruction of Jerusalem, which was the TWENTY-THIRD of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, he made an
expedition against Celesyria; and when he had possessed himself of it, he made war against the Ammonites and Moabites; and when he had
brought all these nations under subjection, he fell upon Egypt, in order to overthrow it; and he slew the king that then reigned (16) and set up another; and he took those Jews that were there captives, and led them away to Babylon."

The above establishes that the Jews were part of the last deportation in year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar - those Jews who had run down to Egypt who had not been killed off.

BIBLICAL REFERENCES:

First, Jer. 52: 30 establishes a 23rd-year deportation:

29 In the eighteenth year of Neb·u·chad·rez´zar, FROM JERUSALEM there were eight hundred and thirty-two souls.

30 In the twenty-third year of Neb·u·chad·rez´zar, Neb·u´zar·ad´an the chief of the bodyguard took Jews into exile, seven hundred and
forty-five souls."

Thus Josephus and the Bible both mention a 23rd-year deportation, with Josephus establishing those deported were from Babylon.
Jeremiah suggests potentially that the 23rd year deportation was from Jerusalem. But this need not be a contradiction if the Jews
were deported the same 23rd year from Egypt via Jerusalem. Supporting this very conclusion is Jeremiah 44:14 and 28:

JER. 44:14 "And there will come to be no escapee or survivor for the remnant of Judah who are entering in to reside there as aliens, in
the land of Egypt, even to return to the land of Judah to which they are lifting up their soul[ful desire] to return in order to dwell; for they will not return, except some escaped ones.'"

JER. 44:28 "And as for the ones escaping from the sword, they will return from the land of Egypt to the land of Judah, few in number; and all those of the remnant of Judah, who are coming into the land of Egypt to reside there as aliens, will certainly know whose word comes true, that from me or that from them."'"

CONCLUSION: The last deportation of the Jews in year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar were the last remaining ones who had run down to Egypt and who stopped in Judea at least for a short while on their way to Babylon.

This challenges the ScholarJW teaching that the land was completely desolated from year 18 of Nebuchadnezzar. So even though JWs use
Josephus' reference to a literal 70 years of desolation, and indeed, sometimes even Josephus seems to read that the seventy years are
counted from the "conflagration" (destruction of Jerusalem), the specific reference here and at Antiquities 11.1.1 establish the specific 70 years begins in year 23 connected with the last deportation.

ANT 11.1.1 "IN the first year of the reign of Cyrus 1 which was the seventieth from the day that our people were removed out of their own land into Babylon, God commiserated the captivity and calamity of these poor people, according as he had foretold to them by Jeremiah the prophet, before the destruction of the city, that after they had served Nebuchadnezzar and his posterity, and after they had undergone that servitude seventy years, he would restore them again to the land of their fathers, and they should build their temple, and enjoy their ancient prosperity."

Therefore, if ScholarJW is going to quote from Josephus regarding the seventy years, he will have to begin the 70 years when Josephus
does, which is year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar, and further acknowledge that the land was not completely desolated until after the 23rd year
since some of the Jews who had ran down to Egypt did return to Jerusalem for a short while. Therefore, the 1914 doctrine interpretation connected with 607 BCE fall of Jerusalem is 5 years off, since if you date the return of the Jews in 537 BCE, then 607 BCE would represent year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar 70 years earlier rather than year 18, the year Jerusalem falls. That in turn moves year 18 back 5 years to 612 BCE, which also moves 1914 back 5 years to 1909 AD. Of course, I'm sure the cult will find something significant that happened in 1909 that would prove Christ arrived in that year rather than 1914, but even so at the moment as long as they are dating the fall of Jerusalem in 607BCE based upon the seventy-year reference and using Josephus to support that reference, they are in error 5 years.

Ian

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+++ VIGIL - TUESDAY 20TH NOVEMBER +++

by Sad emo in

jw
friends

please join in sending your prayers, good thoughts, reiki, healing vibes, lighting a candle or just taking a moment to think of all those named and unnamed who are fighting cancer or in any other need.

also their loved ones and caregivers.. - has been fighting mantle cell lymphoma for three years.

he received an allogeneic cell transplant and his latest blood and bone marrow results have shown no trace of cancer!!

Dansk

Dear ALL,

I was at the hospital this morning to have my blood tested and then have a transfusion of immunoglobulins over 2-4 hours. However, the doctor cancelled the transfusion because my CMV (the virus) levels have gone down! So, I managed to get away from the hospital early - but forgot to ask them to take the stiches out of my chest

I feel great, another sign that the virus is retreating and I have been informed they want to further reduce my medication in a week's time. So, everything is going well. Yippee!!

Love,

Ian

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Happy Thanksgiving

by DJK in

jw
friends

wishing all who celebrate a wonderful and festive day tomorrow.

djksasha is ready for a feast wearing her favorite bib.

pic removed by me.

Dansk

We in the UK don't celebrate it - but I wish you Yanks all the very best for a really Happy Thanksgiving.

Ian

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A LETTER FROM THE TAXMAN

by Dansk in

jw
friends

taken from an old copy of the guardian, an actual letter sent by the inland revenue: .

dear mr addison,.

i am writing to you to express our thanks for your more than prompt reply to our latest communication, and also to answer some of the points you raise.

Dansk

Is nothing sacred these days! The letter's a fake:

How Jobs & Money fooled the world

A spoof letter, supposedly written to columnist Chris Addison by an Inland Revenue official, went further than we anticipated, writes Patrick Collinson

Saturday January 31, 2004
The Guardian

It began as a spoof letter from the Inland Revenue written for Jobs & Money by back-page columnist, comedian Chris Addison. But, plucked (unauthorised, we'd add) from the Guardian's website, it has found its way into countless emails and websites across the world. You've may even have seen it in your own email box, telling you it's a "real" letter from the taxman.

The letter has spun its way on to websites from Finland to New Zealand, been reprinted in newspapers and featured in internet forums. Chat rooms in the US bemoan the fact their own Internal Revenue Service does not have the same sense of humo(u)r as those whacky Brits. One talked of the "deliciously understated" civil servant and the equally over-stated writer.

Article continues

In its oddest manifestation, it even found its way back via email to Addison himself.

"It had evidently been forwarded through a number of people, each of whom had blunderbussed the thing to their entire address book. Several of my friends also received it from different sources," he says.

"I don't know what's weirder - the coincidence of somebody sending you your own writing without realising it, or the sheer stupidity of the person who originally started sending it about in the belief that it was a real letter. I can only hope nobody took up the advice on starting a small business that I doled out."

That the fake letter has found so many believers suggests we'd rather prefer it if the Inland Revenue wrote to us in this way. Even the Adam Smith Institute, bastion of right-wing economics, fell for the letter. On the think-tank's website, its president, Dr Madsen Pirie, called it a "model of manners", adding that "courtesy costs little, but it can act as a soothing oil to lubricate some of the rougher edges of modern life - even tax demands. I think its politeness is commendable."

The Mail on Sunday liked it too. We will spare the blushes of the reporter from that newspaper who rang us at Jobs & Money to ask for a contact number for Mr HJ Lee - the entirely fictitious Inland Revenue employee created by Mr Addison.

On a website called Commonsense & Wonder based (we believe) in the US, the Addison letter reappears with the comment: "You have to credit the British sense of humor, the IRS would probably knock down your door and haul you off in response to the same. Anyway, this is the funniest letter I have ever seen from a government bureaucrat."

In case you didn't see the column first time round, you can read it here. And remember, if you filed your genuine correspondence from the taxman next to the toilet in case of emergencies, this weekend is the final deadline for filling in self-assessment tax forms.

Well, I still had a good laugh!

Ian

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+++ VIGIL - TUESDAY 20TH NOVEMBER +++

by Sad emo in

jw
friends

please join in sending your prayers, good thoughts, reiki, healing vibes, lighting a candle or just taking a moment to think of all those named and unnamed who are fighting cancer or in any other need.

also their loved ones and caregivers.. - has been fighting mantle cell lymphoma for three years.

he received an allogeneic cell transplant and his latest blood and bone marrow results have shown no trace of cancer!!

Dansk

Ian - hope the transfusion gets you back up to speed again. Sending you some extra positive thoughts

(((((((((())))))))))

So glad your B-in-L is recovering.

Ian

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CONFLICT: the winner decides what is TRUE in history and theology

by Terry in

there was a period of time between judaism, (messianic judaism, christian-judaism and, finally,) christianity in which violent arguments over who/what jesus was vis a vis deity took place.. one of the reasons for writing down the oral traditions was to solidify certain positions and "prove" a particular opinion by representing those opinions as from a higher source.

after all, the jews were the "people of the book" and no greater authority could be referenced in an argument over orthodoxy than what was "written".. eventually hundreds (if not thousands) of messiah stories, jesus stories were circulated; each with yet more powerful representations of who or what his personage revealed as to nature and importance.

the names of important men became attached to these writings to bolster their authority and authenticity.

Dansk

Health and Well-being:

On Pine Ridge, life expectancy for Lakota men is only 48 years old and for women it's 56. Many struggle every day to get their most basic needs met. Many on the Reservation don't have telephones or cars. They're aren't many businesses, gas stations or grocery stores.

"We're not rich in money and material stuff, but we're rich in our life...our love for our children, our culture, and our language." — Rita Little Boy
Damn disgraceful in the 21st Century. So wonderful how the native Indians, on the whole, still have their priorities right judging by Rita Little Boy's comments. For America, one of the world's greatest democracies, to still have people with a life expectancy of 48 in its own back yard is just beyond belief!

Ian