It's ironic that the Society get so specific about condemning internet pornography, which in itself is absolutely correct of course, but maintain that their policy on dealing with child molestation accusations is correct and supported by God's word, considering that the internet is a favourite haunt of paedophiles and a majority of paedophiles are addicted to pornography.
Noumenon
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Watchtower Cure For Internet Porn Addiction
by Stephanus inthe july 22, 2003 awake!
has another one of those nutty articles on the evils of internet (pornography).
it seems they are trying hard to get the average dub to link the two.
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Pro UN Awake articles & NGO application forms
by Noumenon ingreetings - can anyone confirm for me whether these articles were officially submitted by the watchtower society to the un (to keep up their ngo membership), or did the un just use these articles and post them on their website without the society necessarily having officially submitted them?
i guess the wts had to have given their consent somehow, as a minimum.
what are the mechanics of proving one is upholding un ideals to renew their library card membership?
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Thanks Gopher, but that thread doesn't answer my questions...I want sources for the official documents and UN process, even those posted on the internet from 'apostates' will suffice
That's what a judge in a Court of law would ask for, ie, copies of the actual documents in question. Even comments from UN officials themselves might be wrong...you know what it's like with these big beauracratic organisations....half the time the left hand don't know what the right's doing.
I want to see with my own eyes if the application forms have changed or not. I'm not prepared to just accept someone's word that the forms didn't change when the Society say they have changed. Their intentions in trying to make the WTS look bad could be just as baisedv as the Society's is in trying to cover it up.
This is a biggie for me....does anyone wanna help me prove to myself the Org is blatantly lying over this...please.
Is ZEV saying I should visit the UN website and search under the 'INFORMATION' department or something? He's obviously a man of few words that Zev.
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What happened to the New Covenant
by Blue ingood afternoon everyone,.
nobody ever mentions the new covenant anymore.
all we hear is doom and gloom, agony and despair.
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Noumenon
Yea, that's an interesting article on escape the Watchtower Hamas (although is nothing more than soft higher criticism...you can attack any book of the bible using the kinds of reasonings the author of that article states), but even without the book of revelation, if you have faith in God and Jesus, and believe his word to be inspired and reliable (which I don't think you do anymore frankly - so you are hence without foundation and are now tossed hither and thither by every trickery of teaching), one cannot escape the fact that sooner or later God is going to intervene again in man's affairs to remove the rotten elements in this sytem. As a god of love and justice he is not going to forever sit in the heavens like some 'laid back kinda guy' and just let the wicked run around and oppress and kill the meek and innocent. If you believe that God is forever going to tolerate wickedness on earth then you have so lost the concept of who God is that you surely are totally confused. The bible's message is clear from Genesis to Revelation (spurious inserts in it or not) that paradise and everlasting life was what we had and lost, and that God will restore that purpose. There are many many scriptures littered throughout the bible that one can use to see clearly that God will one day take action on this planet to make things better again...it's not wishful thinking but what Jesus himself taught, ie, that he will return and will one day be a glorious king to rule from heaven. Have you so lost faith in the words of Christ that you now doubt that he will return Hamas?, or are you content to wallow in the muddy mire of higher criticism of his words too. Then were does that leave you Hamas. No better off than an athiest or agnostic. In fact agnostic now appears to be what you now are by your own admission: " But then I realised : Who knows ? None of us really know the truth." Hamas...didn't Jesus say "you WILL no the truth...and the truth will set you free!
Like so many on this site, you have thrown the baby out with the water, and I mean really thrown it out, in fact you have tried to crush and squash the baby into a bloody pulp...
While I don't believe only JW's are ultimately to be saved, and I fully expect a God of love to preserve probably 100's of millions when he finally does act (thru his son), there is no denying that he will act one day. In our life-time or not, who knows, but he will act....
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Pro UN Awake articles & NGO application forms
by Noumenon ingreetings - can anyone confirm for me whether these articles were officially submitted by the watchtower society to the un (to keep up their ngo membership), or did the un just use these articles and post them on their website without the society necessarily having officially submitted them?
i guess the wts had to have given their consent somehow, as a minimum.
what are the mechanics of proving one is upholding un ideals to renew their library card membership?
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Greetings - can anyone confirm for me whether these articles were officially submitted by the Watchtower Society to the UN (to keep up their NGO membership), or did the UN just use these articles and post them on their website without the Society necessarily having officially submitted them? I guess the WTS had to have given their consent somehow, as a minimum.
What are the mechanics of proving one is upholding UN ideals to renew their library card membership? Does anyone know the official process? For example, does the application form say 'please attach evidence of having upheld and promoted the ideals and goals of the UN?' or something like that?
Also, are copies of official blank NGO and DPI application forms from 1990 to current available somewhere on the net, or can anyone direct me to a source that has physically checked them out?
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1991 UN documents
by hooberus inrecently i have started looking more indepth at the un situation.
is the following true: .
1. the watchtower first became a ngo .
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Noumenon
Hooberus' questions are excellent ones, to which no one has really provided a satisfying answer on this thread. I would like to physically sight the 1990 or 1992 application (as close as possible to the year the WTS completed theres), and then compare those to every application form since. Are copies of these avaiable? If the forms havn't changed, then that is conclusive proof that the Society have deliberately lied about this, or have assumed the forms changed without checking their facts, which would be misleading the flock (tantamount to lying).
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The abomination that causes desolation
by Blue ingood afternoon everyone,.
does anyone know what daniel the prophet meant when he talked about the abomination that causes desolation?
the book says that when we come to understand what the abomination that causes desolation is to flee to the mountains.
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If God's love is unconditional why did he wipe out all those in the flood save for 8 souls, and why did he wipe out all the sexual perverts in Sodom and Gomorrah?.
God's love isn't unconditional. The 'once saved always saved' born againers like to imagine so, but one can't just go doing what one wants and expect God to overlook Wilful disobedience and rebellion against him....he is also a God of justice after all, which quality is in perfect balance with his other cardinal qualitys of love, wisdom, and power.
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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 7-27-03 WT Study
by blondie incomments you will not hear at the 7-27-03 wt study
comments by the reviewer will be in black and parentheses ().
see jwd topic on class distinctions (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/55841/1.ashx).
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Noumenon
I never noticed any racial or economic partiality in all my years growing up in the the truth, but what I did start to notice was partiality against children of a solo mother in the truth who had an opposing husband. My mother was never really accepted by a few of the snooty sisters who were elders wives etc. And there is partiality against those who are not pulling their weight and performing properly, who aren't doing all the 'works' they should be, ie, attending every single meeting, answering up at least once at every meeting, and showing your face at field service at least every fortnite. These ones begin to be ostracised socially.
There are definite 'class distinctions' in the congregations, as Jesus told true christians not to have.
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The WTS Finally Gave Jesus Some Color
by Funchback inmy wife brought home the "learn from the great teacher" thingy and i observed some things about the cover.. 1) jesus and the children on the cover have tan skin.
'bout time!.
2) for a 31 year old and a perfect man, jesus has some serious "crows feet" going on.
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You're sick Funchback...
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Did God Create Dinosaurs Or UFOs?
by Latin assassin from Manhattan ini remember at a district convention in yankee stadium back in the 80's where the district overseer mentioned the possibility of one day being able to share the universe "with other creations of jehovah" as he put it.
it definitely got everyone's attention because he even went so far as to say that perhaps ufos are a creation of jehovah, but we haven't been told of their purpose.
when i heard that i nearly choked on my jw-hoagie.
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The society's reasoning is that UFO's are not real (and could be a hoax or trick of the demons, similar to ghosts, to distract people from the real issues) because this planet must be the first where the issue of universal sovereignty has come up. Here is where Satan fhas irst challenged God's right to rule, and the rightness of his rule. If other sentient creatures more advanced than humans exist and were around before us, then logically Satan would have gone to their planet and tested them out first. Also, Jesus would have given his perfect life as a ransom for those alien beings on that planet. And he would only have needed to have done this once for all creatures in the universe born in God's image. If that had happened mankind would not have gone through all that misery we have since Adam's rebellion, because the issue of universal sovereignty would have been settled on another planet.
Make sense?
So hence it is not in harmony with scriptural reasoning to believe in UFO's really. It is flabbergasting then that the convention speaker said such a thing. He would no doubt have been reprimanded sternly for it I'm sure.
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Has anyone seen the article, Young People Ask., Do I need a mobile phone?
by laylaluv inhas anyone seen the article, young people ask........do i need a mobile phone?
this is on the home page of the society.
jesus stated the wise principle that one should "calculate the expense" before undertaking an important project.
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Noumenon
Seems the Society didn't 'count the cost' of their sicko policy re child molesters, as evidenced by all the dosh they've had to fork out in out-of-court settlements (and gag orders) to victims.