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  Why have Jehovah’s Witnesses disfellowshipped for apostasy, some who still

  by gumby in

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  found an intresting article in looking for something else.

  see why you are all dirty bastards!.

  questions from readers w. 86' 4/1 page 30-31. o why have jehovahs witnesses disfellowshipped for apostasy, some who still profess belief in god, the bible, and jesus christ?.

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  Worldlygirl have you been dumpster diving at Bethel again? Those boys in the writing department need to invest in a good shredder to keep people like you from getting their hands on the rough drafts. lol!

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  I need a good beating for what I did this morning

  by freeman in

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  this morning i let my emotions run away with me and challenged my 20-year-old son into defending his loyalty to the watchtower shunning doctrine.

  it was not good, im in no way proud of myself.

  im sure he and my dub wife will likely mischaracterize it as an attack on god; anything said against the tower is always an attack on god.

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  I too feel that an apology is in order. An apology for the way it was said, not necessarily for the content. You are entitled to the way you feel. Hiding our feelings on this distructive cult helps no one.

  How about after the apology, invite your son to accompany you to the hospital. If he declines, let him know you respect his feelings and his right to shun his former friends. You do not have to agree with it, but at the same time you want to show respect for his beliefs. (no matter how cokeyed they are).

  Best wishes for a peaceful outcome to this tragedy.

  Loris
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  Are They Losing the Old, Too?

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was quite surprized when a relative of mine needed a ride to the district assembly and couldn't find one.. what surprized me was two older sisters, who have been utterly faithful over the years,separately said they aren't going.. we already know the watchtower is losing witness kids enmasse but this looks unusual.

  what's left for old-timers anyway?

  all the urgent depth of doctrine is gone - the society can't defend anything.

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  They lost me too. I bailed over the UN issue.

  (age 56, out for a year, 37 years in) I am really old!

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  EVEN ORTHODOX RABBIS QUESTION BIBLE!

  by Dansk in

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  2. friends

  you may be interested in the following:.

  'abraham, the jewish patriarch, probably never existed.

  nor did moses.

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  This is something I have never understood. If a person does not believe in the teachings of a religion; what is the reason behind why they call themselves a Jew, Christian, Muslim, whatever? These are Rabbis for god's sake. If they think it is a bunch of Hooy why not get a new career?Something they can believe in? Take up rocket science or something.

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  Today's policy on being DF'ed

  by PointBlank in

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  would someone be so kind as to catch me up on the current disfellowship policy?

  how exactly are the rank and file being instructed to treat family members who are df'ed?

  i know it changes with the wind.

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  Point Blank I will be blunt. All DF'd and DA'd are to be given the same respect and consideration that any reasonable person would give to a big pile of dog sh** found on a sidewalk. Simple rules for simple minds.

  They are back to the hard line on our treatment. Even to the point of infering in the August KM that eating with a DF'd relative living in the same household is perhaps not desirable for the truely faithful.

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  newbie and not understanding all of the aspects of this site

  by Maggie in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have read alot on this site for a while and just have been absorbing it as i make my way.. one thing i noticed was alot said about abuse of children... i experienced the reverse...false stories told..believed by elders because of hidden agenda and 20+ years as special pioneers ..etc.

  as of no count and belief in a new publisher destroyed our lives and children's lives.

  the horror never stops ...some of our family is disassociated...some disfellowshipped...some inactive...some active..some on a fence...mostly because of one or two elders and the misapplication of their power and lack of love to our family.

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  WELCOME Maggie.

  It does take a while for the shock to go away. It is a real shock to the system to find out your life was dedicated to a lie.

  The only real thing I came away with was a deep love for the Almighty Creator and his dear Son. I have chosen to look inside for peace. Jesus is really there. I do not plan to even look for a religion to cling to. There is too much chance for corruption and manipulation.

  I left about a year ago. My beliefs are in a state of flux. I continue to search and research the different ideas out there. This is a great place to do that. I have learned to take what fits and leave the rest alone. Freedom of speech and freedom of religious belief is a wonderful thing.

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  What religion are you now?

  by Michalea in

  1. jw
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  i've struggled with wanting to be 'something' mostly probably to fill that hole that was left and to try and belong somewhere, anywhere really.

  so i've tried penecostal, presbyterian, united churches but they all seem fake.

  i always compared everything to the jw's, and didn't even realize it.

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  I’m of the opinion that Religion is a snare and a racket. Why couldn’t I see that before I wasted 37 years?

  I usually say I am a Free Christian. I will not join any religion. At the same time I read my Bible, and a wide variety of commentaries and other scholarly works. Jesus taught freedom. Who am I to disagree?

  When I say Free Christian my twisted mind thinks of the phrase ‘free range chickens’ You know they are not caged, they roam free in the barnyard. I used to have chickens , I loved to listen to the hens sing as they walked around the yard. They were content and happy. Now I am a free range Christian. Free and happy. I never want to be a caged bird.

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  You are SO not gonna believe this

  by LovesDubs in

  1. jw
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  well prodigal jw husband came home last night from his jw field trip back up north.

  we had the house all cleaned and daddy was on the way home from the airport...but didnt show up.

  i knew immediately where he was.

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  ...but I love this man of 16 years of marriage, I would NOT be happier with him out of my life and if what will fix this is me getting rid of my books ( I have what...like 4 of them???)

  16 years is quite an investment. If there is still love there and you are not in danger then a few compromises are not a bad thing. Maybe your demonic books can go on vacation to a friend's house.

  The hubby is still held in bondage to the Watchtower. He is still the great guy you married, just temporarily insane. You will still have many crazy days while he is trying to make the Watchtower insanity make sense. His brain is being twisted by the crap.

  On another note the kids still need their Dad. Never underestimate the needs of a kid for their Dad. Us women have put up with a lot of crap for thousands of years for the sake of the kids. And IMHO it was worth it.

  Hang in there girl. This too will pass. One thought that helped me endure the seemingly unendurable is this, "You can endure anything , as long as you know it is just temporary"

  (((((((((((LovesDubs))))))))))))

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  Not sure if this is the right area

  by Zoewrex in

  1. jw
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  all - of course i'm new to this board (or any board) and have an 'issue'.

  my father and step-mother are both jw's and i know i can't argue with them.

  however they're important to me and yet after a visit, i feel as if they are chipping away at my own spirit.

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  Welcome to the board. You are in the right place to keep your sanity while dealing with your parents new found "religion"

  Read the books as soon as you get them. I hope one of them is Crisis of Conscience. If not order that one right away.

  You will need all the mental armor you can get. The indoctrination methods of JW's are extremely effective. It begins to sound true in such a short while. Many of us here can atest to that. No amount of intelligence is a sure defense. Only facts will save you from being sucked into the black hole of JWdom.

  At the same time attacking them will not work as a defense. They will take it as proof of the "truth" of persecution. They are being conditioned to view you as dangerous to their faith. So be kind and respectful towards their beliefs. And at the same time requesting space for you to disagree.

  This will be a difficult time for you. My prayers are with you.

  Loris
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  WTBS' Financial Empire...the tip of the iceberg!

  by MacHislopp in

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  watchtower bible & t

  watchtower bible & t

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  Amazing information! Thanks

  Next to the Wedding Chapel, this was my favorite

  Please describe the charity's involvement in programs outside Canada.

  OUR WORK IS DONE IN COOPERATION WITH AN INTERNATIONAL BROTHERHOOD CONSISTING OF LEGALLY DISTINCT BRANCHES THAT TIGHTLY CONTROL THEIR RESOURCES. THE PURPOSE AND PROGRAMS OF THESE BRANCHES ARE IDENTICAL TO OUR OWN. RESOURCES SENT TO OTHER BRANCHES ARE SUBJECT TO A LETTER OF AGREEMENT THAT STIPULATES A REPORTING PROCESS PROVIDING US WITH

  Tight as a frogs patooti.

  Loris