why is it that anyone who ventures on this site and tries to defend the watchtower is immediately shot down and flamed for being blind and unrealistic?.
and anyone who can come up with proof that the watchtower is evil gets applauded for finding these facts.. some have wandered onto this site trying to defend their faith, even if at the time they didn't know the truth about the truth, and have immediately been labeled as a troll and showed the door.
i've seen threads where these individuals have been treated like total idiots and insulted (to put it in a mild manner), yet nothing was done to reprehend the insulters.
Thanks for accepting my apologies.
I have a lot to learn, and yes...the perfection issue....so far away isn't it... lol
No need for you to apologize, really.....you made me realize all of this was getting out of hand, especially "I" was getting out of hand.
I'll try.....
Take care
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do you think that at least one active person on this board is working for the watchtower and trying desperately to get information on people here?
do you know who you can really trust on this site, or is everyone a potential watchtower spy?
They're on to me.....
gotta go
tom talley's post above about the nazification of america, imho, needs to be gone from the site altogether.
there is enough there still to get plenty of people riled up.
and it's even worse because now it's locked and no one can tell tom talley how full of shit he is.. francois
Simon, I totally symphatize with you and will respect your wills. I do not see it as a breach to freedom either.
So from now on, if I do make a comment, it will be in moderation. Promise.
take care and don't stress yourself too much over a bunch of arguing idiots.
why is it that anyone who ventures on this site and tries to defend the watchtower is immediately shot down and flamed for being blind and unrealistic?.
and anyone who can come up with proof that the watchtower is evil gets applauded for finding these facts.. some have wandered onto this site trying to defend their faith, even if at the time they didn't know the truth about the truth, and have immediately been labeled as a troll and showed the door.
i've seen threads where these individuals have been treated like total idiots and insulted (to put it in a mild manner), yet nothing was done to reprehend the insulters.
well I guess were not debating the freedom of speech issue no more, Simon locked it.
HE LOCKED IT.....WHAT ABOUT MY FREEDOM......lol
and he rides into the sunset.....
why is it that anyone who ventures on this site and tries to defend the watchtower is immediately shot down and flamed for being blind and unrealistic?.
and anyone who can come up with proof that the watchtower is evil gets applauded for finding these facts.. some have wandered onto this site trying to defend their faith, even if at the time they didn't know the truth about the truth, and have immediately been labeled as a troll and showed the door.
i've seen threads where these individuals have been treated like total idiots and insulted (to put it in a mild manner), yet nothing was done to reprehend the insulters.
Xena...
I'm glad we've had this talk....lol
In all seriousness though, I am sorry to have offended people the way I did. I admit that I've gotten way too emotional over the issue. It would be pretty lenghty to explain why.
Although I did mention a few days ago that I did realize it and I was going to moderate my comments. I basically saw this after a few of your comments to my posts. So, to you personally, I apologize. And to others also.
I am not the bad person that you might think I am, no one is actually. I do however have strong opinions about some issues, but I understand that I can hurt and I don't want this. I have a hard time to realize that there are real people behind every posts, and even if it's anonymous, it can still hurt.
Right now, were sort of debating the freedom of speech issue, but I will take a step back.
why is it that anyone who ventures on this site and tries to defend the watchtower is immediately shot down and flamed for being blind and unrealistic?.
and anyone who can come up with proof that the watchtower is evil gets applauded for finding these facts.. some have wandered onto this site trying to defend their faith, even if at the time they didn't know the truth about the truth, and have immediately been labeled as a troll and showed the door.
i've seen threads where these individuals have been treated like total idiots and insulted (to put it in a mild manner), yet nothing was done to reprehend the insulters.
I remember the first days when I walked into the H2O site. As far as I was concerned, the truth was the truth, cause I had not for maybe 15 years heard anything about the watchtower. I had been disfellowshipped, but still believed they held the truth, and many times defended their doctrines when discussing with friends. I had no idea.
So for sometime, while on H2O, I defended what I thought were truths. Of course, and before I could realize it, I was ridiculed for doing so. I couldn't believe the apostate propaganda (so I thought), cause I held on to what I thought was true.
But it still remained that eventually my point of view was rectified, and this by individuals who were not nice in pointing out my false beliefs in the watchtower. But I accepted what was the truth. I had to since I could not prove otherwise.
Today I feel the same way about how the american public supports this war. I don't think it's right. I didn't come here to debate the war, it just so happened that they coincided. Maybe I should've brought my strong point of views somewhere else, but being an ex JW, I figured I had as much a right to be here than anybody else, so I spoke my mind.
When the French are ridiculed (cause i'm French descent) you don't see me crying over it....I take the pill, and if the arguments are strong enough I say.."oh well"...and to be honest....us French are wusses...what can I say but accept the facts of it. If I can argue the points being brought into the discussion as being false I will, otherwise I leave it at that, and accept what was just proven to me and rectify my reality.
So I really don't get the fact that some can't argue the topic. It hurts to be told the truth when you're wrong, but sometimes you need to hear it.
When you use the term watchtower, who do you refer to, the individuals or the leaders making the decisions. You know damn well that the regular joe in the watchtower has nothing to do with it's policies so you lump them up to make your point.
So when I use the term americans, i'm talking about the leaders and not the individuals, so in a way maybe you are lumped in the term, probably the same way you use the term "dub" to generalise.
But if you claim that freedom and democracy is part of the american way, you have to accept the voice of the majority and not become bent out of shape if someone shows that you are wrong, or alludes to the fact that you are.
Stop taking this so damn personal, and allow the topic to be discussed in the manner that people feel they have a right to express their opinions, even if it rubs you the wrong way. Isn't that what freedom of speach is all about, or is freedom of speach just for you guys.
why is it that anyone who ventures on this site and tries to defend the watchtower is immediately shot down and flamed for being blind and unrealistic?.
and anyone who can come up with proof that the watchtower is evil gets applauded for finding these facts.. some have wandered onto this site trying to defend their faith, even if at the time they didn't know the truth about the truth, and have immediately been labeled as a troll and showed the door.
i've seen threads where these individuals have been treated like total idiots and insulted (to put it in a mild manner), yet nothing was done to reprehend the insulters.
Why is it that anyone who ventures on this site and tries to defend the Watchtower is immediately shot down and flamed for being blind and unrealistic?
And anyone who can come up with proof that the watchtower is evil gets applauded for finding these facts.
Some have wandered onto this site trying to defend their faith, even if at the time they didn't know the truth about the truth, and have immediately been labeled as a troll and showed the door. I've seen threads where these individuals have been treated like total idiots and insulted (to put it in a mild manner), yet nothing was done to reprehend the insulters. Freedom of speach in that area is accepted and even encouraged. I know it has happened to me in the past before I was aware of some of the watchtower's mistakes.
Right now the topic of war, and it's implications worldwide, are on the minds of everyone. And if someone wants to stretch it some, it might have biblical reasons to be discussed on this board.
I do not want to say this in a disrespectful manner, but it seems the Americans cannot take the criticism of their culture and their leaders. But at the same time, they enjoyed every minute of the Watchtower bashing, and I'm sure that many of them were the first ones to yell "troll" when a poor uninformed soul set foot here.
Now they have left this site and accuse people like me to be insensitive because I don't agree with their policies. We have to walk on eggshells, otherwise, yes otherwise.
As far as I'm concerned, what's good for the goose is also good for the gander.
But of course, one more time, I am wrong about this, ain't I?
wow, as each day goes by, i am thankful we got rid of that madman!
kurds find unmarked mass grave in northern iraq .
friday, april 18, 2003
Well tci chi, it seems they have chosen to debate more important issues like which kingdom song was the worst or something like that.
Hey, I've got to admit, Saddam and his bunch were sick puppies. They thought they had all the rights, even to kill.
It was fun while it lasted, you know, debating real issues. I respect your stance...take care.
mark
http://www.cnn.com/2003/world/meast/04/18/offbeat.iraq.dolls.reut/index.html
I wasn't gonna reply just so I don't get to 100 post, but hey, gotta say something.
I really don't care if people ignore me, I posted that cause I thought the guy was hilarious and I already ordered one. They had one one bush, but I can't stand blandness.
btw, it feels really good to be shunned by the shunned.
And Kenneson, according to our little fellow jesus here, you are an unsensible person....you really shouldn't have added to the thread. You might not be forgiven for that....lol
http://www.cnn.com/2003/world/meast/04/18/offbeat.iraq.dolls.reut/index.html
