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  2015 Yearbook Stats analyzed

  by Westenddave in

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  increase /.

  total increase /.

  republic of (m-6).

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  joe134cd

  Marked
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  Congregation that have sent in money!

  by DwainBowman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the past week, i have heard from a number of friends scattered all over the place.

  a number of them are very upset over the congregation being required, to send in all monies over $4,000.

  a number of these were kh's that were saving to buy land, and or build new kh's.

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  Tenacious=here is the link to the one in Julisco, Guadalajara,  Mexico. Just follow the links from there.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/278950/misappropriation-funds-project-assembly-hall-guadalajara
  
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  Is Watchtower's stance against education only for North American witnesses

  by wannaexit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was reading on a european ex jw forum where some feel that watchtower's railing against higher education is primarily for north america issue.

  this is due that many in usa and canada leave home to leave on campus.

  it was mentioned that many young european jw attend universities and its not frowned on.. i found this odd because i heard what morris and losch said about education in italy.

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  I know in Latin America every witness virtually has been and qualified from college. I was surprised at just how well qualified they were. BTW when I use the term well qualified I mean medical doctors, orthodontists, and i even meet another to my surprise who was a regular pioneer who had a doctorate degree in psychology and a very senior roll in handling terminally sick patients.
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  Congregation that have sent in money!

  by DwainBowman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the past week, i have heard from a number of friends scattered all over the place.

  a number of them are very upset over the congregation being required, to send in all monies over $4,000.

  a number of these were kh's that were saving to buy land, and or build new kh's.

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  joe134cd

  Unfortunately these are not isolated incidents. There have been phantom assembly building projects in Columbia and mexico where they were taking donations, and it wasn't until the local elders started questioning the society about their intentions and where  the money was, that they fessed up and admitted that the project was no longer happening. They built a new bethel facility in Greece with the idea of selling the old bethel and moving into the new.  But as property values increased during the build, they just sold the new premises and stayed in the original bethel, much to the distaste of the locals. There has also been bethels in Spain and the Czech Republic that have been shrouded in scandal . These are the bigger ones that I know of.
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  Did Guy Pierce Disapprove of All These Changes?

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been wondering lately if guy pierce did not approve of all these changes like jw broadcasting, the new jw kingdom halls and the direction that they are currently moving in.

  i know that some changes happened while he was alive but a lot of these changes seemed to be pushed right after his death..

  for example, jw broadcasting almost sounds like it was rushed out within 2 months.

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  I can certainly see what you are saying. It's an interesting theory.
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  Is shunning a common religious punishment for reporting sexual abuse (or other crimes)?

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  in other words, is it true that the watchtower is just like other religions when it comes to cover-ups?.

  from personal experience (with incest and doctrinal/financial fraud) in the watchtower i would say so.. especially when i compare stories like the one i read today:.

  "its impossible to know how many women have been raped by jewish men.

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  I honestly believe WT needs to be thankful for speaking up about this and I also think that Wt owes owes Bill Bowen and Barbara Anderson a massive big apology for DFing them. If it wasn't for them doing what they did when the did it. Wt would of been  in for a heap more hurting.
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  Conti Appeal Oral Arguments slated for 9 A.M., Jan. 14, 2014. Recap of Defendant Watchtower's Complaint of Errors for your info.

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  conti appeal hearing-summary of watchtowers complaint of errors with plaintiff's reply.

  the following statements were taken from the introduction of respondents brief a136641 -attorney richard simons' response for plaintiff.

  defendants argue that the affirmative duty imposed by the trial court impinges on their religious freedom.

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  joe134cd

  This is getting interesting. I hope that the watchtower loses in magnificent glory, but I've got a feeling that they will wriggle out of it.
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  Is shunning effective?

  by rebel8 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does shunning accomplish its objectives:.

  make the person repent?.

  deter others from committing similar offenses in the future?.

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  joe134cd

  Is shunning effective. Here's some things to consider.

  66.6% of DFed people never return.

  From my observation (and although I have no evidence to it)I would say that the frequency of DFs is increasing.

  Some DFed ones then take their issues to the internet which in turn creates further havoc when it's members and those thinking of joining the group read it. Hence the 2014 increase in most western countries is 1%. The world is growing at a rate of 1.3% so they weren't even able to retain the rate at which the world is growing.

  I personally think shunning just sweeps issues  under the carpet. It antagonize and makes the shunned one worse and more determined than ever that they will never return.
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  I questioned some Mormons today

  by joe134cd in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as a result of my fading from the jw religion, i have taken an interest in the mormon religion.

  personally i think mormonisim is a bigger con than the jw religion.

  with all knowledge i've been acquiring, i was interested to find out what the followers of the mormon religion knew about the churches history.

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  joe134cd

  Despite the above, and the totally off the wall beliefs of the mormon church.  I do forsee a better out come for the Mormon church.  They have encouraged their members to succeed in life.  Financially they better systems in place e.g tithing, although they do run the same wt financial scams of realestate. One thing I do think  the Mormon church is years ahead in is fussing up to its members about its past.  Well put it this way the missionaries knew that J.smith was a con man and about his various sleeping arrangements. How many JWs would know that Rutherford was a raging alcoholic, who was an abusive pig.  I guess we must all reach our own conclusions.
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  I questioned some Mormons today

  by joe134cd in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as a result of my fading from the jw religion, i have taken an interest in the mormon religion.

  personally i think mormonisim is a bigger con than the jw religion.

  with all knowledge i've been acquiring, i was interested to find out what the followers of the mormon religion knew about the churches history.

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  joe134cd

  ShirleyW=I think although the issues of credibility the two organizations face are different, they are in essence the same. With regards to doctrinal flip flopping.

   http://www.concernedchristians.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=298&Itemid=14

  I also believe that the evidence to disprove the Book of Mormon is more substantial and concret.  Sure watchtower has had flip flops but they have been that just flip flops. Explained away by new light, greater understanding, human imperfection etc. For instance did christ take up kingship in 1914. I'm buggard if I know and since God ain't saying anything I can't say for sure. We could argue both ways. Where as the with the Book of Mormon and the ideas of smith received under Devine inspiration by heavenly farther can be proven to be false with hard physical evidence. For instance we now know that people don't live on the sun and moon. The physical evidence of the kinderhook plates, and the book of Abraham ( pearls of great price) has clearly shown that Smith had no idea of translation.  I think the most damning of all is the physical evidence from mitochondrial DNA which shows the ancient Americans immigrated from North Eastern Asia. For Gods sake you have just got to look at the American indians to see they have no physical charistics of the Jews.  When I sort of look into the history of smith and some of his ideas I can't help but think of him as been a charismatic lyer who ended up believing his own lies. I think both religions developed out of the times they lived in.  For instance at the time of smith there was speculation about the lost tribes and the American Indian roots.  I guess the Book of Mormon was an answer to this. Then a few decades later with the Adventist movement of which the JWs and SDAs developed from. Both Russell and Smith were not immune to a few shady business dealings- perhaps more so with smith.