last night i talked to an elder that resigned early this year and he told me that he resigned as an elder because of 9--11. he felt that after seeing thousands of people dying in such a horrifying way, there was just no way god would destroy 99 and 9 tenths of the world and only spare jehovah's witnesses.
he also felt that since the kingdom message could not be adequately preached by a handful of jw's so that people could get life, the whole thing is a sham.
he no longer goes to meetings and his wife crys to everybody about her husband.
James2300 >> ...One brash young Bethelite guffawed at these words. The interesting thing is that no one else laughed with him. <<
I enjoyed your Bethel exprience a great deal, James2300. What I especially liked was your final words. Glad to see that at the very center of ground zero WTS propaganda that for every 1 self-righteous Bethelites there are still 99 Bethelites that are human beings.
There is hope yet!
wall street journal, december 9, 2002. marketplace section in an article about mormons.... "the mormon church, of course, isn't the only religion to shun or cast out dissenting members, scholars say.
the vatican has excommunicated catholics for disobeying papal edicts.
many orthodox jews disown family members for marrying outside the faith.
NameWithheld >>As regards voting, what's in writing and what policy is enforced, is two different things. It was made clear at least in the US, that voting is still 'not allowed' from the COs onstage. <<
That was strange. I guess that is why I still remember it so well. After that WT article came out, when our CO came for his visit he basically contradicted everything that article said without saying he contradicted it. Strange smoke and mirrors.
Makes me wonder if that WT article was a strategic ploy for 'public' consumption rather than for the rank and file JW to use and, heaven forbid!, think for themselves.
Getting back to the WSJ article.
True, take blood and you are instantly DA.
DF or DA - different bullets, same gun, same result. More smoke and mirrors!
here are the reasons why jehovahs witnesses are shunned from the internet!.
beans.
http://www.quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/internet.htm.
Elsewhere >>Sending emails to each other is a GREAT idea!!!<< ... >>Oh SH*T... that was a bad idea!!!<<
LOL! I think that is what happened.
Still, I can't describe how stupid they tried to make us rank & file JWs feel like. The WTS has no clue what the JWs thought of the article in private.
I think the Pharasees were more honest. They held their contempt for the stupid common folk plain and openly. They weren't bother with 'political correctness'.
if anyone was ever able to visit patterson and get a tour behind the service department's door, you would have noticed this display among the cubicles:.
and the answer to - "where should the nail be?
" you will notice that they do not even attempt to answer the question of the plurality mentioned in the bible regarding the nail(s) through only his hands; they attempt to throw you off by mentioning his feet too.
>>If anyone was ever able to visit Patterson and get a tour behind the Service Department's door, you would have noticed this display among the cubicles<<
Thanks for the information.
Since the WTS has no professional researchers with none of them having any kind of degree or certification for any element of their work there, I'm rather doubtful they even came up with the idea that the nail(s) didn't go through Jesus' center of his hand(s) but elsewhere. Of course, this wonderful new insight is accredited to the old men of the GB as "new light".
joy2bfree's post on cults got me thinking.. was anyone else told that certain harmless things (harmless in my eyes) were satanic.. i know you have all mentioned smurfs, but i was also told that the 'my little pony' toys were demonic because they were designed by a wizard?????
did i really believe this rubbish - my daughter always wanted one but i wouldn't buy one for her cos i thought i would be inviting demons into my house - i feel really rotten now!.
also wind chimes (which i always wanted cos i love the sound), anything written by sir arthur conan doyle (and i love sherlock holmes and felt so deprived), the beatles, john denver - can't think of any more at the moment but there were quite a few.
I bought a pokemon toy to a JW friend's kid. She is one of those ultra orthodox JW types who claim special pipelines to elders and the Society. GRIN Anyway, she almost took my head off saying they were designed by demons to entrap children into demonism..
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if the catholic church goes bankrupt, as some media sources suggest may occur... what do you think that would mean for the current jw doctrine on the 'destruction of babylon the great'?
Smiles >> If the Catholic Church goes bankrupt, ...<<
I can believe a Catholic church or diocese going bankrupt but not the Catholic Church. Furthermore, I believe a Catholic church or diocese will appear bankrupt on paper in order to hold law suits at bay from legitimate and illegitimate victims looking for large sums of money. But is anything but.
i've been curious about something.
anyone has speculation or fact why the wts doesn't register their books with the isbn?
(www.isbn.org) every book worth anything carries an isbn number.
I've been curious about something. Anyone has speculation or fact why the WTS doesn't register their books with the ISBN? (www.isbn.org) Every book worth anything carries an ISBN number. Even books published by private publishers. Given the publishing capacity of the WTS organization, I'm rather surprised that all their books lack ISBN. Seems strange.
Any thoughts?
let me know if this was just a local / uk thing.. the elder's children in our area weren't the youngest to get baptised.
there were, in fact, many baptisms much younger than what you would expect, however, there was talk amoung elder's children of "making sure you are ready" and "making sure you are old enough".
now these i call children are 18, 19 even 21. there were ordinary children being baptised at 13, 14 and ocasionally 10.. did these elders and their children know something we didn't.
Prisca >>I was raised as an elder's daughter, and our parents raised us with the expectation that when we were old enough to make our own decisions we could get baptised. This was assumed to be around the age of 18, the age of adulthood in Australia. We weren't pressured to get baptised at an early age. In fact, if I'd been 13 or 14 and wanted to get baptised, my father would have had a very serious talk with me to make sure I knew what I was doing. <<
I think your dad was reasonable an responsible. How could a youngster get baptised and realize how this change of status will govern his or her life indefinately.
>>It's only been in the last 10 years or more that I've noticed young ones (ie. between 10-15) getting baptised. Maybe it's a trend, or maybe some congregations think differently to others.<<
It's a trend. At my district assembly they had a 9 year girl on the stage who was baptized that morning. They said some theocratic stuff and the audience applauded. I shook my head.
I think baptism of minors shouldn't be allowed nor should it be 'theocratically' binding.
for those of you trying to sneak out the back door without being dfd or dad...and plan to do holidays, please remember that the jws are tightening their grip on detractors and those who think they can leave without consequences and they will come to your door christmas morning to try to catch you!
i have heard of this countless times since leaving in jan 97. keep everything that might incriminate you away from the front door!!
and that includes your kids whom they will ask direct questions to!edited by - lovesdubs on 12 december 2002 14:23:44.
Loves >>For those of you trying to sneak out the back door without being DFd or DAd...and plan to do holidays, ... I have heard of this COUNTLESS times since leaving in Jan 97. Keep everything that might incriminate you away from the front door!! And that includes your KIDS whom they will ask direct questions to!<<
You're kidding, right? You mean that instead of going out on FS the elders will use the occasion to go on an apostate hunt? Really?
my wife told me that last night a letter was read from the society, explaining how all printing operations in brooklyn were being moved to either walkill or patterson, and that worldwide there would be consolidation of the printing operations.
i know there have been rumors like this floating around here for the last month or so, but now it seems there is confirmation.
has anyone else heard about this letter being read?
Blondie >>As a side note, several of the facilities purchased over the last 20 years were not just purchased for a song. Millions of dollars were spent on these sites. But I'm sure that they will be sold for even millions more. <<
At least.
I remember when the WTS sent requests for interest free money. Well, they used OUR money quite well, havent they? If you want the loan back, sure, you can have it back - just the principal.
Anyone knows the financial worth of the WTS today?
