According to the latest, and certainly the hottest inside info, a new name for the mag is in the offing:
Posts by L3G
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34Pushing the JW.ORG
by Etude ini took these pictures over a month ago.
i had not realized that they were really pushing their site.
this was at our farmers market, although they were not officially in the market area but off the side on the sidewalk.. .
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Will firing the DOs be the first step to a new Watchtower?
by Juan Viejo2 inagainst my better judgement, i've decided to share the following as a response to guy pierce passing and the announcement of the elimination of district overseers later this year.. late in january (2014) i got an email from one of my contacts (a fader) who served at bethel for several years, but is no longer at wt hq.
he still has a lot of close contacts within the service department and in other departments at patterson and knows people in all of the ny offices.
i kept this email set aside on a flash drive and haven't shared it with anyone - figuring i'd publish an article about it later this year when i had more time to do it right.
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L3G
WOW!
Thanks to Juan Viejo2 and Service Dept. anon. chap for sharing this. The size of the thread/no. of responses speaks to this being real news. nowwhat?'s comment is spot on:
this is the most informative post since i came on board a year and half ago.
There's nothing like having inside info. Many of the comments by members are insightful, esp. those of truthseeker, NEJ, and Earnest.
The expansion in the legal and real estate departments is noteworthy. It shows where the current GB's fears (legal) and attentions (real estate) are and will continue to be.
One of the things that has struck me at this forum is how many members there are who go way back, long before many of the other members were active JWs or even were born. Will these soon-to-be-cast-aside older DOs and Bethelites come to the same conclusions that the old-time members here already have?
There is so much here to digest, not just the initial share but the posters' comments too. We have new fodder to ponder. This puts the May 2014 study article, 'Are You Moving Ahead with Jehovah's Organization?' in a new light. No doubt it's prepatory for this forthcoming stuff.
Juan Viejo2: some of this was reported by James Jackson but much more briefly here:
He mentioned something you did not, that RBCs are being disbanded. Do you or your source know anything about this?
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this is how witnessing is being done nowadays
by losingit ini have a non jw friend that knows about jws only bc i related toher my experience leaving this abusive cult.
anyhoo, she went to starbucks yesterday and there was an older man on his laptop.
she sat next to him while she did work on her tablet.
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L3G
Hopefully one of those STRANGE bros. we all used to encounter here and there when we were active. I hope this isn't the latest version of the carts, to help pioneers get their hours in. OTOH, with 'door-step Bible studies' who knows?
Maybe she should send him a note with site addys like this one, jwleaks, etc. from an anonymous email account. If he's independent enough, he might look at them!
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Replacing Guy Piercehow big is the pool from which to choose?
by L3G inrespectful_observer's thread on guy pierce's death,.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/277198/1/heard-a-rumor-guy-pierce-died-this-morning#.uyq-pv21x1n.
got me thinking.
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L3G
Got it—thx. For all:
He hated that many JWs had seen it, considering that it apparently promotes adultery (haven't seen it myself). And there's a nude scene. But Witnesses would hand-wave that away and justify seeing it because it was popular and wasn't rated R.
The truth is, he was right, it was hypocritical for JWs to act like the movie was okay. I still think that if someone is going to profess and preach certain beliefs, they should stick to them and not make excuses. But I had no idea that he gave the same rant at every Hall, that's really funny.
Edit: Cross-post. But look how well we remember his tirade!
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What happened to the "Armageddon hasn't arrived" post?
by QuestioningEverything injust wondering, i enjoyed checking it out from time to time.
and i apologize in advance if it is still on here.
it wouldn't come up in my search.
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L3G
Well, I'm certainly not a mod here, but it may be the same thread as here, with many of the same members as at this forum:
Robert7: funny!
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Replacing Guy Piercehow big is the pool from which to choose?
by L3G inrespectful_observer's thread on guy pierce's death,.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/277198/1/heard-a-rumor-guy-pierce-died-this-morning#.uyq-pv21x1n.
got me thinking.
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L3G
Apognophos,
This is choice:
I think there's a divide in anyone high up like that, between their own personality and the role they play in the organization as a facilitator. Notice how even Ray Franz upheld various teachings that he didn't agree with, while he was on the GB.
Very insightful... TYVM!
It reminds me of an experience on our BOE. One of its members, clearly the most intelligent, well-balanced, kind, and experienced elder (let's call him CV), fell afoul of powerful elders locally and out-of-town over a complex and nasty business matter. The guy had been a real heavy in the org, was tight with multiple members of the GB, etc. The cong PO (pre-COBE days) was good-hearted and harmless, but quite limited. Prior to CV's trouble (he'd been removed with possible judicial action pending), the PO had always just gone to CV, asked him what to do in any congregational matter, and taken his advice. I knew of no exception to this. But when this trouble began to brew, the PO was, like you described, divided. On the one hand, he knew CV very well, had always counted on him, knew CV had far more knowledge than he had himself, humbly considered CV his vast superior, and knew too that CV had never let him down. He found it hard to believe that CV could be guilty of what he'd been accused of. It was painfully amusing to see the dissonance going on in the PO's head. The poor guy, loveable as he was, was at a complete loss. Yet because he was pushed to the wall, not being able to figure out what was really going on in this case, he did what every good and loyal JW does in such a circumstance. He thought, "Well, I don't really understand all this, but one thing I know: Jehovah ultimately deals with me one way I can count on—thru his organization. I'll suspend my own thinking here and just do what I am told [by the CO and Brooklyn]." As you put it, the role he was playing in the org as facilitator. Of course, I've seen this multiple times before and since, but for some reason that experience came to mind.
So what did Friedman say about the moive Titanic? I'm probably not the only one wondering now.
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Health care law & JWs
by L3G inin the usa the affordable care act/obamacare has kicked in and as of the end of this month, those without paying for health care coverage thru an insurance company, unless they're somehow exempt, will have to pay an increasingly steep annual fine for not buying into the system.. so how will this affect those jws in full-time service?
is the org paying the premiums of bethelites, traveling overseers, spec.
pioneers, etc.?
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L3G
Bella, it may not be so simple. Posts here have reported that the org is actively seeking couples for CO work who have some money already, that is, such ones are not poverty stricken. THEY would not be able to claim no funds to buy insurance. Furthermore, since Bethelites and traveling overseers have for years had the org pick up their medical care, then will Uncle Sam sit by and not take note of this? The idea of the law is for all to take responsibility for their own medical care, to pay into the system enough so that all can get care. One may think that the GB will want to just shunt this off the the government, but it's hard to imagine that Brumley and his legal staff have not discussed the legal implications of trying this with the GB. There would have to be repercussions to such a decision.
One factor is the religious opposers and "apostates" who will latch onto any perceived corruption of the org and try and bring it to some kind of public attention. Will they just sit back and miss this opportunity?
Moreover, we are talking about federal law here, and in the eyes of some, more importantly, tax dollars. There are already so many opponents to this law that one can only expect such political adversaries to be on the lookout for those who could reasonably pay their share but are not (think of how the welfare system is the USA has been radically revised from the 1980s on due to political infighting). Will they just sit by and say, "Well, this organization has a record of having paid thousands of dollars for years to take care of the medical needs of their ministers, but now they don't pay their share. Yep, we outsiders will gladly pick up the tab for them! JWs are so much appreciated for their preaching work, anyway."? Thus it is not something that, in the long run at least, can be so simply dismissed.
I'm just wondering if anyone has some insight or inside knowledge of the matter, that's all. We reguarly get info here from inside the org, even from HQ itself. Is some available on this matter?
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Health care law & JWs
by L3G inin the usa the affordable care act/obamacare has kicked in and as of the end of this month, those without paying for health care coverage thru an insurance company, unless they're somehow exempt, will have to pay an increasingly steep annual fine for not buying into the system.. so how will this affect those jws in full-time service?
is the org paying the premiums of bethelites, traveling overseers, spec.
pioneers, etc.?
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In the USA The Affordable Care Act/Obamacare has kicked in and as of the end of this month, those without paying for health care coverage thru an insurance company, unless they're somehow exempt, will have to pay an increasingly steep annual fine for not buying into the system.
So how will this affect those JWs in full-time service? Is the org paying the premiums of Bethelites, traveling overseers, spec. pioneers, etc.? If not, then how are they getting around the law? Are they telling everyone to claim poverty wages so the government will pay for it? Anyone know anything on this?
Are any of the decisions that have recently been announced (like no more DOs, decreasing the number of bethelites) been at least partly motivated by this?
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Replacing Guy Piercehow big is the pool from which to choose?
by L3G inrespectful_observer's thread on guy pierce's death,.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/277198/1/heard-a-rumor-guy-pierce-died-this-morning#.uyq-pv21x1n.
got me thinking.
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Thanks JustVisiting. I never heard of him either. Here's what I found online about the guy.
1. JakeM2012 on jehovahs-winess.com posted the 2013 World Wide Report:
On Wednesday, 30 October, 2013, the US Bethel family enjoyed the following report by Brother Baltasar Perla, member of the USA Branch Committee.
2013 World Wide Report given at Morning Worship:
[then the typical blah, blah, blah stuff. It was also posted here by JakeM 4 months ago.]
Then this from the official website:
2. A GOOD REPORT FROM MEXICO
The first part on the program exemplified the unity of Jehovah’s people. Baltasar Perla interviewed three fellow members of the Mexico Bethel family regarding the merger of six Central American branch offices with the Mexico branch. Because of this merger, the Bethel family in Mexico has become more multicultural and international. The influx of fellow believers from different lands has resulted in an interchange of encouragement. It is as if God took a huge eraser and eliminated national borders.
3. On 26 June 2013 he gave the funeral talk in English for Charlotte Schroeder, wife of past GB member Albert Schroeder. She died on 19 June. He's got to be a trusted Bethel heavy to get that job, as well as be a good speaker.
4. From what's been uploaded on various hosts, he must be used to give many WT talks in Spanish. They're using him of late like they did Sanderson, so if he's anointed…
DOES ANYONE KNOW IF HE PARTAKES? MAYBE THEY REALLY ARE INTERESTED IN APPOINTING A SPANISH BRO. FROM LATIN AMERICA.(??)
Anyone in the know want to say more about Perla?
And R_O, regarding Herd. For certain the facial hair is cool! Is he now the oldest GB member? Various reports have him as the least influential.
Apognophos, why would you be shocked if Friedman got appointed? Do you think he's too nice a guy? I hear that Sanderson and Jackson are supposed to be nice guys. Let us know your insights, please.
Oubliette, agreed! Wasn't Gangas supposed to be Greek? and Potzinger was German? Was Lloyd Barry a Brit or Aussie (like Jackson is)? Isn't Losch Austrian? Anybody Canadian been there? There's no doubt that it's been a "European stock" leadership thing.
Thanks to all for the input...
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"Jehovah's Witnesses" among most controversial articles on Wikipedia
by ILoveTTATT inhere's an interesting article:.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2013/08/daily-chart-1.
among the french-language wikipedia articles, at least, "jehovah's witnesses" is among the most-changed articles on wikipedia.
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L3G
Thanks. From the wiki article:
2001 Newsday listed the Watch Tower Society as one of New York 's forty richest corporations, with revenues exceeding $950 million.
So what is it now and where do they rank in 2014? That is, where within the top 40? Also how did Newsday come up with this figure when their real assets are kept secret?