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Micheal the ArcAngel/Jesus the man

by plmkrzy in

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i understand that a lot believe that micheal and jesus are one in the same some believe that jehovah and jesus are one in the same some believe that one is the son of god yadda yadda yadda.. would some of you please address or post your reasons for believing that micheal the arc angel was not gods first creation and why he couldn't be the one sent to us to be born as a man and become our savyor?

why would he not have another name fitting his role as a man on earth?

he obviously wouldn't be living on earth as a child growing up as an angel.

Yadirf

The one who started this thread in her original post said:

He [Jesus] wasn't sacrificeing himself to save bad angel's.

I believe that you are wrong in your thinking here, Plmkrzy. Remember, on his way back to heaven after being resurrected Jesus stopped off at "Tartarus" in order to preach to the angels there (those angels who sinned in Noah's day, whom, BTW, never became Satan's demons as the WTS mistakenly thinks). His message to them was undoubtedly that of salvation. Remember too that it is Jehovah's purpose to bring about a new heaven even as it is his intention to bring about a new earth. Since the "new earth" is simply a cleansed society, likewise the "new heaven" is a cleansed society in the spiritual angelic realm. In other words it is simply God's plan to put things back the way they originally were -- the way they were before Satan's rebellion in which he took many down with him, both man AND angels. Few people, it seems, truly understand the words "a new heaven and a new earth". -- Revelation 21:1.

So, yes, Jesus' sacrifice covered the sins of both man and angel (of course Satan and his demons won't benefit, because they have proved themselves to be incorrigibly bad).

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Edited by - Yadirf on 22 August 2002 16:54:34

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re: question on the magi

by A Paduan in

i think that i read somewhere that jws believe that the magi who followed the star were 'evil' .

is that the case - if so how did they figure that?

paduan

Yadirf

Paduan,

Oh, when the magi deceived Herod, why didn't the star get brighter - and follow Jesus to Egypt ?

First, like most people do you make the mistake of assuming that the star was a MOVING star (see below). Since Satan, at this point in the story, had already observed that God was indeed watching over Jesus in order to protect him ( in that He had thwarted Satan's attempt to get Jesus killed by Jealous King Herod, by means of sending the Magi back to their country another way other than via Jerusalem), Satan would thereafter have no reason to hope that the star that he had made to appear could be of any further use in threatening the life of the Messiah.

Isaiah 14:10-15 How do you read that?

It's noteworthy that the "star" (NIV & RSV) of verse 12 has reference to the

King of Babylon (see verses 3 and 22). Too, it's interesting (and consistent) that the Magi interpreted the so-called "star" they saw as indicative that a person had been born destined to become a King . As I've already explained, within the links supplied previously, it IS a mistake to assume that the Magi "followed" the star, as if they saw it in motion. Not once did the Magi ever see the star move. When the star first appeared to them it no doubt lay off in the direction of Israel, and that's the reason they went into Jerusalem inquiring about a newborn King THERE. Likewise, after they departed from Jerusalem and were on their way to Bethlehem in obedience to Herod's wish they did not see the star in motion ... they did NOT "follow" the star to Bethlehem. Instead, when they arrived in Bethlehem the star was already there waiting for their arrival, stationary over the home of Jesus -- precisely where Satan positioned it.

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Edited to restore the apostrophes, which I originally supplied but were somehow deleted in the posting. (Wonder why that happen's? Anybody know?)

Edited by - Yadirf on 22 August 2002 14:32:45

Edited by - Yadirf on 22 August 2002 14:40:57

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re: question on the magi

by A Paduan in

i think that i read somewhere that jws believe that the magi who followed the star were 'evil' .

is that the case - if so how did they figure that?

paduan

Yadirf

Paduan (aka Bang),

Satan can only show astologers the way somewhere?

Think, Bang, think! Kings wear crowns, astrologers study the stars.

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re: question on the magi

by A Paduan in

i think that i read somewhere that jws believe that the magi who followed the star were 'evil' .

is that the case - if so how did they figure that?

paduan

Yadirf

And for the jws, why didn't Satan show Herod the star?

Herod wasn't an astrologer, that's why!

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YOU KNOW says "IT's A CONSCIENCE MATTER"

by minimus in

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yesterday i asked you know and yardif why they frequent these apostate sites.i asked this question: "how do you justify coming on these boards?".

you know's answer:"the way i understand it, it is a conscience matter.

" when i asked whether he was serious, he replied:"i am serious".when i asked him for further clarification, he suddenly vanished from the conversation.

Yadirf

Dismembered says:

Yardif you turn that other cheek. No "beating" allowed. Turn now.

Why? Jesus beat the crap outta certain people on a number of occasions.

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YOU KNOW says "IT's A CONSCIENCE MATTER"

by minimus in

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yesterday i asked you know and yardif why they frequent these apostate sites.i asked this question: "how do you justify coming on these boards?".

you know's answer:"the way i understand it, it is a conscience matter.

" when i asked whether he was serious, he replied:"i am serious".when i asked him for further clarification, he suddenly vanished from the conversation.

Yadirf

The Lawless One says:

An inactive dub is not a dub..Your so dedicated,you`ve been inactive for over 2 decades..LOL...OUTLAW

An "inactive dub" IS a "dub", otherwise why do you call such a person a "dub"? You're an idiot, Outlaw, because you don't even know when you're contradicting yourself.

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YOU KNOW says "IT's A CONSCIENCE MATTER"

by minimus in

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friends

yesterday i asked you know and yardif why they frequent these apostate sites.i asked this question: "how do you justify coming on these boards?".

you know's answer:"the way i understand it, it is a conscience matter.

" when i asked whether he was serious, he replied:"i am serious".when i asked him for further clarification, he suddenly vanished from the conversation.

Yadirf

To this very day I remain true to my dedication. If you understood the significance of Daniel 11:35 you would be able to sympathize with me. But, as it stands, too many of you here don't even believe in the Bible anymore.

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YOU KNOW says "IT's A CONSCIENCE MATTER"

by minimus in

jw
friends

yesterday i asked you know and yardif why they frequent these apostate sites.i asked this question: "how do you justify coming on these boards?".

you know's answer:"the way i understand it, it is a conscience matter.

" when i asked whether he was serious, he replied:"i am serious".when i asked him for further clarification, he suddenly vanished from the conversation.

Yadirf

Yesterday I asked You Know and Yardif why they frequent these apostate sites.I asked this question: "How do you justify coming on these boards?".

I come here so as to intellectually beat the crap out of those who didn't live up to their dedication, namely the apostates. That's justification enough, isn't it?

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re: question on the magi

by A Paduan in

i think that i read somewhere that jws believe that the magi who followed the star were 'evil' .

is that the case - if so how did they figure that?

paduan

Yadirf

Here's a couple more links having to do with discussion of this same subject if you would care to check them out:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=8504&site=3&page=1

http://www.aimoo.com/forum/postview.cfm?id=311102&CategoryID=2988&threadid=46711&highlight_key=y&keyword1=Star%20of%20Bethlehem

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re: question on the magi

by A Paduan in

i think that i read somewhere that jws believe that the magi who followed the star were 'evil' .

is that the case - if so how did they figure that?

paduan

Yadirf

A Paduan,

"Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him."

Remember, those were merely the recorded words of the Magi themselves. It was "His" star simply because it was interpreted as such by THEM.

Here's a quote from the link that Mevirginia supplied you, which bears directly on the point that you've brought up here:

The way it really was:
Satan knew the Magis trade. He was not ignorant of the fact that when the Magi would witness something really great or spectacular in the heavens that, being astrologers, these ones would interpret such a happening as an indicator that somebody, somewhere, had been born destined to become someone great, such as a king. The mere appearance of the star told them that much, and thats what supplied them the reason for asking: Where is the one born king? (Matthew 2:2) But, apparently, how they knew that the one born was to become king of the Jews was that the star lay off in the direction of Israel. Thus the star served as a pointer, so as to identify the particular nationality of the new-born king. Naturally these star-gazers would then head out for Jerusalem, because of obvious reasons all quite in accord with Satans plan of having Jesus killed while still a young child.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=15854&site=3

Yadirf

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