ISP usually I like your stuff but you're being a little too clever here with the way you are cutting off your quotes, especially the one on search warrants. What don't you include the rest of it?
Xandit
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Dodgy WTS Instructions
by ISP inthis is an extract from one of the wts letters to bodies of elders.
i've got the full letter if you want to see it.. watchtower .
bible and tract society of new york, inc. .
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Books
by eyes_opened indoes anyone know if the books written by carl o. jonsson are any good?.
i looked at the descriptions at amazon and they look really fascinating.
was wondering if anyone here has read them and what they thought.
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Xandit
COJs books are certainly meaty. It would take considerable research to verify every thing he says. I've got the newer version of "Gentile Times" I'd like to see the one of the older ones because he apparently addresses "The Lies of Ptolemy" in that one.
I think "In Search of Christian Freedom" needs a good editor, too wordy.
For my money, Penton's "Apocalypse Delayed" is the best of the lot.
Reed and Rhodes are a waste of time and money. Haven't read Morley.
Edited by - Xandit on 14 February 2001 0:34:11
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Do Kids Hate Being JW`s?
by Englishman inmy kid brother, tom, was born to witness parents.
he was something of a surprise package and my parents were delighted.
my father said that tom was:.
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Xandit
One comment to larc in particular. If you think this board, or others like it, is in any way a representative sample of JWs you're making an enormous leap of faith. This is a very small subset, a vocal group of ex or marginal Witnesses with negative experiences that they are prepared to continually revisit for some purpose not very clear to me, some kind of catharsis I guess. The number, compared to the numbers of Witnesses as a whole, is statistically not that significant. By the way, I am not denying that these negative experiences are real though I think some things look worse in retrospect and to be fair some things look better.
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Do Kids Hate Being JW`s?
by Englishman inmy kid brother, tom, was born to witness parents.
he was something of a surprise package and my parents were delighted.
my father said that tom was:.
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Xandit
If you guys want to be locked into your cherished paradigms just go ahead, it doesn't bother me. I do find it amusing that any negative assertion is pretty much taken as Gospel while anything that doesn't fall in with the herd mentality is immediately suspect. What I've said is true, whether you believe it or not is a matter of absolute indifference to me.
On reflection, I do have to admit one elder did say something to me about the "creature worship" deal with the Junior Princess. I told him when we stopped bowing down to COs, kissing the rings of DOs and prostrating ourselves before Bethel Brothers then it would be time to talk about "creature worship." That's when he told me about some honor he had to forgo when he was in school because his parents didn't want any part of wordly prominence, and that was the end of that discussion.
Most Elders are very much aware that stuff like that particular Watchtower comment are ignored.
What most of you don't seem to grasp is that unless you do something that is actionable judicially, there's not a whole lot anyone can do about your activities other than shoot their mouth off a little bit. I've never cared a whole lot what anyone else thought so it hasn't bothered me.
Edited by - Xandit on 14 February 2001 0:19:17
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Do Kids Hate Being JW`s?
by Englishman inmy kid brother, tom, was born to witness parents.
he was something of a surprise package and my parents were delighted.
my father said that tom was:.
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Xandit
I'm happy to report that last year in our local high school the Junior Princess was a Witness and the fastest middle distance runner they have is a Witness. No one said a thing.
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Silentlambs--ELDER LIABILITY ALERT!!!
by Investigator inwts attorney--morenowhos screwed?!?.
the legal liabilities are rapidly mounting for congregation elders & kingdom hall properties.
this will involve all legal matters especially pedophile cases.
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Xandit
I think you nailed it ISP. I believe it would be difficult to establish that Elders had a legal obligation to make an announcement to the congregation giving the specifics of such a matter. In fact, you can get into legal trouble making such an announcement if you're not very careful. I know of a church in Oklahoma that was bankrupted in a case like that.
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Do Kids Hate Being JW`s?
by Englishman inmy kid brother, tom, was born to witness parents.
he was something of a surprise package and my parents were delighted.
my father said that tom was:.
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Xandit
I'm familiar with the quote from the Watchtower, but I also know, at least in my experience, that most people don't pay a shred of attention to that kind of stuff.
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Do Kids Hate Being JW`s?
by Englishman inmy kid brother, tom, was born to witness parents.
he was something of a surprise package and my parents were delighted.
my father said that tom was:.
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Xandit
I feel real bad about what some of you have gone through. It just didn't happen to me. It's flat no one's business if you want to have a gathering and play softball or whatever,or have any kind of gathering. You also can't be 'required' to call people, etc. Elders that stick their nose into that kind of deal need to be told off. I'm not saying that no one ever tried that with me but my experience has been that they back off real quick if you tell them to butt out. Just to put a time frame on it, I'm talking about the 60s and 70s as my growing up period. Like i said, most of the time we did that stuff every weekend, and more than one congregation was involved, we'd switch the locations back and forth. We actually got pretty good with the softball, double plays even, people would come and watch,
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Do Kids Hate Being JW`s?
by Englishman inmy kid brother, tom, was born to witness parents.
he was something of a surprise package and my parents were delighted.
my father said that tom was:.
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Xandit
How strange, the congregation I grew up in played softball almost every weekend, and usually fifteen or twenty people played tennis as well. Some of you people must be from Lower Slobovia.
Edited by - Xandit on 12 February 2001 13:48:56
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The Mario Moreno and JR Brown Chronicles
by silentlambs inthe mario moreno and get down j.r. brown chronicles.. how would you like these guys speaking for your church?.
they screw up because they don't call here (the watch tower legal department).
a jan. 2 statement from j.r. brown, director of public affairs for the jehovah's witnesses, said church elders "encourage the wrongdoers to do everything they can to set the matter straight with the authorities.
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Frenchy that was great. I think you should at least send it to the newspaper.
larc you might like a book called "Torch of the Testimony" by Kennedy. It's a history of non-mainstream religions and how they have all started with the intention of emulating 1st Century Christianity and then invariably deviated in a fairly consistent manner. I found it fascinating.