The Mario Moreno and JR Brown Chronicles

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  • silentlambs
    silentlambs

    The Mario Moreno and get down J.R. Brown Chronicles.

    How would you like these guys speaking for your church?

    Paducah Sun- 1-5-01
    A spokesman at the church's headquarters in New York said there is no
    prohibition or discouragement in going to legal authorities in the event of child abuse.
    J.R. Brown, public affairs director for Jehovah's Witnesses at the
    church's headquarters in Brooklyn, N.Y., said in a statement that the
    members of the faith "abhor all forms of wickedness, including child
    abuse.''
    "If child abuse becomes known to our church elders, they strictly
    comply with applicable child abuse reporting laws. We also encourage the wrongdoers to do everything they can to set the matter straight with the authorities. Furthermore, we do not prohibit or discourage the victim or the victim's parents from reporting child abuse to the authorities even if the alleged perpetrator is one of Jehovah's Witnesses."
    Jehovah's Witnesses abhor all forms of wickedness including child abuse. We do not condone the actions of those who exploit children by this terrible crime and such persons are disfellowshipped (excommunicated) from the congregation. A known child molester does not qualify for appointment as a. church elder or for any other position of responsibility in any congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.

    PR Statement 1-5-01 Channel 6 News
    If child abuse becomes known to our church elders, they strictly comply with applicable child abuse reporting laws. We also encourage the wrongdoers to do everything they can to set the matter straight with the authorities. Furthermore, we do not prohibit or discourage the victim or the victim's parents from reporting child abuse to the authorities even if the alleged perpetrator is one of Jehovah's Witnesses. If you would like to receive more information on how we report such matters, please contact Mario Moreno, Watchtower Legal Department. (845) 509-0416 or (845) 306-1000. A primary focus of Jehovah's Witnesses is to elevate me Bible's strong family values in all communities and to help willing ones come to know and serve God acceptably.

    Paducah Sun 1-28-01
    Mario Moreno, associate general counsel at the church's New York headquarters, said when church policy is applied to child molesters, "as a parent, an attorney and an elder, I'm comfortable with our policy."
    Moreno said while he believes in the church's policy, he knows that some members have been hurt, and "my heart goes out to them." But he said that some elders don't follow the policy as they should, and that's where trouble begins.
    Moreno said when a Witness goes to an elder with an accusation of abuse, the first step the elders should take is calling the church's legal department.
    He said there are then three factors considered: protecting the child, complying with the law, and protecting minister-adherent confidentiality, with the last receiving the least weight.
    The legal department will then advise the elders what is required by law. Twenty-two states, including Illinois and the District of Columbia, do not require clergy to report accusations of child abuse. In those states, Moreno said, the legal department generally advises the elders not to report the matter to law enforcement authorities.
    J.R. Brown, public affairs director for the church, said the reason for this is "we do not think, as an ecclesiastical authority, we should run ahead of Caesar's laws," using a biblical reference to secular authority. "Even if secular authority does not require it, generally we have endeavoured to be more zealous for enforcing and seeing that these laws are complied with. If Caesar has a law, and it does not conflict with God's law, we follow it."
    Brown said the church does not necessarily equate reporting the matter to law enforcement to protecting the child because "not all the time does government authority provide the protection the child needs. We don't say automatically that, but unfortunately too many reports show that's the case. You can be sure they're going to take what action is necessary to see that the child is protected."
    Both Brown and Moreno said that the elders, who volunteer and are essentially untrained clergy, might err in their application of a policy both believe puts protecting children first.
    "It's a matter of trying to balance confidentiality and protecting the child," Brown said. "It's not always easy. Have mistakes been made? Very likely, they have. We're trying to see that everyone is educated to what needs to be done to see that innocent children are not victimized."
    Moreno agrees with Bowen's claim that no investigation is initiated in the church if there is only one witness and the accused denies the charge, but he said elders have the responsibility to watch the accused more closely. He added that elders sometimes advise the accused to not put himself or herself in suspicious situations.
    He also said that when members are disfellowshipped, the congregation is told but no reason is given in order to protect confidentiality. When asked if the parents of the victim would be allowed to tell fellow congregates why a member is disfellowshipped, Moreno replied, "That would be their choice. We don't tell them that, but it would be their choice. Is that encouraged? No."
    He agreed with Bowen's charge that a congregation would also not be told if a pedophile had joined the flock. But he said because of the church's structure, the fact that such a member, if male, who would have fewer rights in the congregation, would not be serving in a leadership role would alert members that "he obviously lacks spiritual maturity."
    Moreno said he believes that while some of the church's critics on this topic have legitimate concerns, most "have a problem with pride" and "want the organization to change for them. We go by what we believe the Bible says, and we don't change for anybody."
    He also said he feels the church is "being picked on" and added that he would be willing to put the church's policy up against any other.

    Christianity Today 01-26-01
    J. R. Brown, director of the public affairs office of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (WTBTS) in Brooklyn, says he shares Bowen's concern. "We abhor what [molestation] does to children," he tells Christianity Today.
    Witness spokesman Brown says that the incidence of pedophilia is no worse in his religion than in others, but he admits that some elders have not reported suspicions of abuse. In 38 states, the law requires clergy and other professionals to report physical and sexual abuse of children. Some critics argue that even in the 22 states that do not require clergy members to report, Witness elders do not qualify for such a privilege because most are neither professionally trained nor paid employees of the organization.
    Although Witnesses comply with secular laws when necessary, Witness spokesman Brown says, the group prefers to deal with such matters spiritually. "We handle wrongdoing, sin, and transgression," he says. "This is what a religious organization is supposed to do. We're not getting into law enforcement. We're just going to handle the repentance."

    Louisville Courier-Journal, 1-4-01
    Church officials say elders alert authorities to suspected abuse in states that require reporting. But in other states they prefer to take steps to protect children that don't breach what they see as confidential communication between elders and members.
    A lawyer for the Jehovah's Witnesses church, which has nearly 1 million members nationally and 6 million worldwide, said it complies with those state laws that require church elders to report abuse.
    "If there is a law that mandates reporting, that takes precedent over any confidentiality, whether in church policy or statute," said Mario Moreno, associate general counsel for the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, a legal corporation of the church.
    "In states where there is no reporting requirement, it's a different scenario," Moreno said.
    Elders might have the victim relocated away from the abuser or have the parent or guardian of the victim, or even the accused person, report the abuse to police, he said.
    "The laws of this country, as well as people's moral values, tell you there are some things that should be kept private. That's why laws protect confidential communications between clergy and their flock."
    But Moreno said elders who contact the church's legal department with cases of suspected sexual abuse -- as they must do -- are often advised to refer victims to police or other outside help, even if the law doesn't require it.
    Victims and their parents are free, Moreno said, to seek help from police or therapists and should not blame the church if they choose not to do so.
    "Parents are encouraged to do whatever they need to do to protect their child," said Moreno.
    Church attorney Moreno said church members know they can go to the authorities on a matter of abuse. "They haven't committed a sin by turning in a Jehovah's Witness to the authorities," he said. "It's a very personal decision."
    Moreno would not comment on whether elders violated the law in this case but said, "Once in a while, in a small minority cases, elders screw up. They screw up because they don't call here (the Watch Tower legal department). When they call here, they don't screw up."
    Moreno said that eventually, the truth comes out. "Somebody else comes out of the woodwork and now you can take action," he said. Moreno said two separate accusers would count as two witnesses when making a sexual abuse accusation.
    Church policy neither encourages nor discourages members to report suspected or admitted sexual abuse to police, Moreno said. Elders are instructed to always call the central legal department of the church in Carmel, N.Y., upon receiving an accusation.
    When elders call, church lawyers tell them whether state law requires them to report abuse to police, Moreno said. A still-valid 1989 church memo also tells elders to call for legal advice before being interviewed by police, responding to a subpoena or voluntarily turning over confidential church records, unless police have a search warrant.
    Moreno said church lawyers might advise elders to refer victims to police or other outside help. "That's a personal decision."
    A Jan. 2 statement from J.R. Brown, director of public affairs for the Jehovah's Witnesses, said church elders "encourage the wrongdoers to do everything they can to set the matter straight with the authorities."
    Ayers, Rees' stepfather, declined to comment, but church lawyer Moreno applauded the decision.
    "There is no duty to announce to people that 'John Brown' is a child abuser," he said. If the court had ruled otherwise, he said, it "would basically discourage people from going to their ministers and getting help."
    "If people could not count on confidentiality when they go and confess to a Catholic priest, there's going be quite a chilling effect on religion," he said.
    Church lawyer Moreno said it would be "ridiculous" for any elder to make such a threat, and if one did, it would contradict church policy.
    "That's not scriptural," he said. "We teach the Scriptures. The Scriptures don't say, 'If you file criminal charges against an abuser you're going to have eternal damnation.' The one in danger of eternal damnation is the abuser."
    Watch Tower officials are not consistent on how the church punishes child molesters.
    In a Jan. 2 statement, church public affairs director Brown Church said that child abusers are "disfellowshipped," or expelled from the congregation. Later, he acknowledged the church can use less severe penalties.
    He defended his original statement, saying that for "mass consumption it conveys the thought (that elders) do institute this discipline. They're not soft on abusers."
    Said Moreno: "I wouldn't be too happy myself if somebody abused my child and was reinstated. The bottom line is if an elder determines a former child abuser has demonstrated repentance, (he has) a scriptural obligation to reinstate him."
    Brown said pedophiles are restricted from working with minors and must also be with a well-respected church member when they go door to door.
    Pedophiles also might not be sent into neighborhoods where they might be recognized as molesters, Brown said.
    According to church lawyer Moreno, the system worked. Elders did their job, and victims and police did theirs, he said.
    "What was the harm?" Moreno said. "The report got made.
    "You've got a teen, who has been molested, upset at the elders for not calling the police?" he said. "You can call the police. You're the one injured.
    "Who makes the laws? Not us. Don't blame us for the laws, please. Talk to the state legislators of Colorado."

  • Frenchy
    Frenchy

    Dear Sirs,
    Your indignation at and condemnation of this heineous crime is most commendable. I am also happy to see that you are so compliant with 'Ceasar's' (Hey, ain't he dead?) laws and that you blame parents for not notifying the authorites. Could you perhaps show us a couple of articles in your magazines that direct members of your 'church' (why do you use that word here? I never hear any of your members make any reference to their 'church'?) to contact the authorities in such matters. And while you're at it, how about a couple of articles directing those abuse victims to qualified counselors? You have those right? Inasmuch as your concern runs so deep I'm sure that you must have, in your vast organization, your own, trained professionals that are available at least as consutants to your elders for just such occassions. Your comments certainly suggest that you are well aware of the problem in your religion inasmuch as you say that it's no worse than the other religions. I was curious as to your NOT saying that you believed that the problem was far LESS in your religion.
    I have another area of concern. I was shocked to read your declaration of the true status of the spiritual leaders of your congregations, calling them volunteers that 'are essentially untrained clergy,(who) might err in their application of a policy.' With six million members you have volunteers running your organization? What do you people do with all the money you collect for your literature and from the boxes in those 'churches' of yours? Is it that you are giving away most of your money to worthwhile charites or is it that your members are all cheap skates? Why can't you educate your ministers?
    If they are unable to understand a simple policy like: Call here in case of child abuse, how are they able to convey to their congregations more complex spiritual ideologies? How can they help these children overcome the complex emotional turmoil that accompanies molestation? How do they counsel the parents? How do they counsel the abuser? If they cannot understand a simple statement like pick up the phone and call this number, how can they even unlock the doors to their church? You are providing them with the number, are you not? It's not an unlisted number is it? Just checking.

    Signed,
    Concerned Citizen

    Edited by - Frenchy on 8 February 2001 8:47:47

  • Frenchy
    Frenchy

    P.S.
    It's me again. One other question. Evidently you don't feel a need to have educated ministers tending to your vast flock inasmuch as you said so. Perhaps what you teach does not require a great deal of intelligence to accept and so untrained volunteers are sufficient for this. My question is, however, are your lawyers untrained volunteers as well or are they bona fide professionals? Just wanted to know where your priorites were.
    Signed,
    Worried Citizen

    Edited by - Frenchy on 8 February 2001 8:44:44

  • mommy
    mommy

    Frenchy,
    That was very good! Are you going to send it in? Do you think they would respond? It blows my mind how they can "turn" on the very people that give their lives to them(thinking they are giving their lives to God)
    wendy

  • Frenchy
    Frenchy

    Thanks, Wendy. No, I don't think they would ever respond to that. They never respond to anything unless there is an angle in it for them.
    I agree with you about how unconcerned they are about the people they claim they are shepherding for God. Complete lack of compassion. Turns my stomach.

  • larc
    larc

    Frenchy, et. al.,

    This doesn't make it any easier, but the fact is that all organizations are the same. It doesn't matter if it's GM, the Teamsters, The Department of Human Services, or the JWs. The goals of the organization come first. Many fine things might be accomplished, but the individual caught in the machinery of the organization simply doesn't matter. The organization comes first. It is the law of organizations, as certain as the Law of Gravity in physics.

    In his first book, Ray Franz talked about small groups of well meaning, good people getting together to study the Bible. And they as they grow, he said that with "depressing regularity", they eventualy become the very bad thing that they originally escaped.

    It's sad, but it's a fact of life that we have to live with. As a result of my conclusions, I'm not much of a "joiner" today.

  • waiting
    waiting

    hey y'all,

    Brown said pedophiles are restricted from working with minors and must also be with a well-respected church member when they go door to door.

    WTBTS is not saying that the well-respected church member knows they are in the car with a confessed pedophile. That well-respected church member could have his/her children accompanying the pedophile out in field service. Children accompanying their parents are not considered "working with minors." Just in the same car group, at least in our area. In our area, unless you are actually working a door with another person, you aren't working with that person. The WTBTS statement about "working" can be implied either direction. Besides that, very few persons outside the organization would understand what "working" meant.

    When the car group breaks for coffee/lunch and meets up with another car group (most likely more children available), the pedophile is potentially then in the company of more new *friends.* The parents and children are kept in ignorance of the child molester's presence.

    Pedophiles also might not be sent into neighborhoods where they might be recognized as molesters, Brown said.

    Smart move. So where do elders send pedophiles? To unsuspecting people's homes. Homes where the "respected church member" and pedophile will hopefully be invited to come in and sit down to share scriptural thoughts. Homes, families, children. Hopefully return visits will be made - to get to know these strangers better.

    Why doesn't the WTBTS instruct elders to send pedophiles to neighborhoods where they will be recognised as molesters?Public Relations - the WTBTS accepts known molesters into their KH and families, and sends them to unsuspecting people's homes. Homes where children may be found and befriended.

    The audacity of the situation defies common sense. At the very least the WTBTS should make it manatory for child molesters not to go out in door to door work. If the hourly quota is so overly important, the molester could put in his time on the phone, or working businesses. The molester's confidentiality would still be protected, but children and parents wouldn't be exposed to his danger.

    This shows a gross lack of concern for unsuspecting families by the WTBTS, within the congregation and people in general.

    waiting

    Edited by - waiting on 8 February 2001 13:16:19

  • Xandit
    Xandit

    Frenchy that was great. I think you should at least send it to the newspaper.

    larc you might like a book called "Torch of the Testimony" by Kennedy. It's a history of non-mainstream religions and how they have all started with the intention of emulating 1st Century Christianity and then invariably deviated in a fairly consistent manner. I found it fascinating.

  • Frenchy
    Frenchy

    Thanks, Xandit. I've never researched the matter but what you and larc say that you've read certainly serves to reinforce my own ideas about the nature of religions. I won't bore you by re-stating what I have already said here. The very nature of an organization demands that it preserve itself. That would hold true for religions as well.
    It's one of the paradoxes with which I am constantly wrestling. Jesus worked within a religion. His ministry eventually led to first century Christianity, a religion in its own rights. A religion which produced the latter part of the Bible. In that portion of the Bible we have Scriptures such as Heb 10:33 and Eph 4:4 which are difficult to understand outside the concept of an organization.

    -Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it-

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