Arafat is only interested in what's good for Arafat. I'm sure he doesn't give two hoots for the Koran. Faisal could make some claims to being a religious man, never heard anything to indicate the same for Arafat.
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Crazy Middle East
by Carmel inliving in this postage stamp of a country called israel (actually palistan) it amuses me that my fellow contrymen jews and arabs are at each others thoats when both the bible and the koran prophecy that the jews will "return" to this piece of barren desert at the "time of the end".
anyone ever wonder for what reason?
if it's in the koran that the jews will be brought back by the will of god then why are they contesting their presence here?
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Other Life
by Angharad insorry if this topic has already been posted.. looking at size of the universe i cannot belive that we are the only life in it.
why would god create this enormous universe and then only use one minute planet?.
does anyone have any thoughts?.
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Xandit
I know Tars Tarkas is out there somewhere.
It doesn't make any sense to me for the rest of the physical universe to be empty. Why should this one planet circling a relatively minor star stuck out on the spiral arm of a modest galaxy be it. The armadas of the Mule could sweep in any minute. That'd give the boys in Patterson something to talk about.
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2000
by m2u inwhat do you think was the single most high impact event of 2000?.
1 choice per person.. m2u
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Xandit
All I can say is if Brother Jeb rigged the election he didn't do a very good job of it.
I actually know some people that know Bush and they say he's a whole lot smarter than the media gives him credit for. His grades were better than Gore's.
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Pedophiles Among Us - (H20 post)
by waiting inposted by silentlambs <mailto: [email protected]> [silentlambs] on december 29, 2000 at 18:32:18 {koz7jvonlur.eq9dlgnykxdsqhckmu}: .
this policy is unethical and immoral in my opinion.
however, i can no longer continue to serve the members of my church as i do not agree with a church policy that as a church elder i am required to enforce.
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Xandit
The only comment I would make is that the legal authorities don't need much, if anything, to start an investigation. Just the accusation is generally enough. If you want to see adversarial just watch Child Protective Services go to work. In spite of the law you are guilty until proven innocent, at least until a judge gets involved.
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Is this for real?
by Scorpion inhttp://www.freeminds.org/guestlog.htm .
see the post by roy dated january 1,2001 time 10:50:53. has anyone heard about this?
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I assume you're talking about India. This is the first I've heard of it and I would certainly like to know if it's true. A little outside my orbit though. Anyone know anyone in India?
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How Many?
by neyank inhi all,.
reading the 1914 thread brought a question to mind.. how many of us became jws because of witnesses coming to our doors telling us that christ came into power invisibly in 1914 and this generation that saw those events would not pass away untill all those things took place?.
i.e.the new system coming.satan bound for a thousand years.people becoming perfect.ect,ect........ neyank
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Not me, the date thing was never important to me. To be honest I have never been convinced that the chronology was reliable, and that's from the beginning.
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Pedophiles Among Us - (H20 post)
by waiting inposted by silentlambs <mailto: [email protected]> [silentlambs] on december 29, 2000 at 18:32:18 {koz7jvonlur.eq9dlgnykxdsqhckmu}: .
this policy is unethical and immoral in my opinion.
however, i can no longer continue to serve the members of my church as i do not agree with a church policy that as a church elder i am required to enforce.
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Frenchy,
I agree with you. I wish there were some way to weed out Elders with that attitude, but the way things are going they are going to be the only ones left.
I do appreciate that the Organization is giving better direction on this matter of child abuse, I'm not sure how they make everyone see what they should do.
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Pedophiles Among Us - (H20 post)
by waiting inposted by silentlambs <mailto: [email protected]> [silentlambs] on december 29, 2000 at 18:32:18 {koz7jvonlur.eq9dlgnykxdsqhckmu}: .
this policy is unethical and immoral in my opinion.
however, i can no longer continue to serve the members of my church as i do not agree with a church policy that as a church elder i am required to enforce.
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Xandit
Waiting,
His statement is not exclusionary it is general. That being the case, reporting these matters to the legal authorities should be sufficient until they have reached a decision. At that point assuming they find the accused guilty then reporting that fact to members of the congregation would certainly not be slander. Speaking to members of the congregation who are not involved investigatively or judicially before there is some resolution does not seem like a good idea. As someone pointed out, and I have seen this happen, these accusations are not always correct. In that case character assassination is what's happening, less serious than molestation perhaps but equally capable of ruining someone's whole life. If that sequence is followed, report to authorities on accusation and then speak to people once the authorities have resolved the matter, then there is no protection of the guilty party by any 'code of silence.'
I very much regret your personal experience, what happened was wrong. I am much relieved that anything like that today is at least supposed to be handled differently. I would like to see this man's letter published just to continue the process of educating people in the organization.
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by m2u inwhat do you think was the single most high impact event of 2000?.
1 choice per person.. m2u
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Hey, it has to be George W. getting elected president, what else?
If you looked out my window you might not be so certain about this gloabl warming business.
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Pedophiles Among Us - (H20 post)
by waiting inposted by silentlambs <mailto: [email protected]> [silentlambs] on december 29, 2000 at 18:32:18 {koz7jvonlur.eq9dlgnykxdsqhckmu}: .
this policy is unethical and immoral in my opinion.
however, i can no longer continue to serve the members of my church as i do not agree with a church policy that as a church elder i am required to enforce.
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Xandit
I hope this gentleman's letter makes it into the media because I believe this is a pot that needs to be stirred.
Having said that. There is something of a misrepresentation in what he is saying, at least currently. In all cases of alleged abuse, regardless of the number of witnesses even if there is only one, the matter is supposed to be reported immediately to Legal at Patterson. In all cases the congregation is directed to comply fully with state law on the matter and as far as I know in all 50 states that means it has to be reported to the relevant authorities, even if it is an unproved allegation and there is only the one witness, Legal even provides the right phone numbers and they want action taken in 24 hours. The accused party is not part of the discussion and does not have to be investigated before this action is taken, the allegation is enough.
I know that it hasn't always been this way but that's the way it is now.
In addition, this idea of people being charged with slander because of reporting to the legal authorities is baseless. There are no such instructions and I certainly don't know of it being done. I don't believe the definition of slander used in the organization would support such a charge.
The Organization is very, very cautious about getting into legal problems on this issue and they are doing everything possible to make sure there is compliance with the Law. You may question their motives but that's the current state of play. I've had direct experience with this and feel confident in the statements I am making.