Posts by worf

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Bowen Disfellowshipping/Daramsala Salt Works

by Francois in

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bill bowen's disfellowshipping is very likely to have the same effect as the attack, by british and conscripted indian forces, on gandhi's followers who attempted to close the daramsala salt works.

this event marked the end of the british raj in india - even though the brits stayed in nominal power a couple more years.

the unprincipled and immoral attack upon unarmed demonstrators showed the world the utter lack of ethics and morals of the the british lording it over someone else in their own home.. likewise, the jw attacks, disfellowshipping of people who attempt to protect the most defenseless, the most helpless, the most innocent members of our society, is a carbon-copy of the arrogance of the british raj in india - and at the salt works that fateful day.. these disfellowshippings will demonstrate to the world the complete moral degeneracy of the watchtower bible and tract society.

worf

Francois, Amazing, Metatron, Seeker4, AlanF,

Excellent points and right on target. And BTW Francois, nice illustration. You probably got "G" 's in the TMS on that point. :)

I also feel that the house of cards known as the wts is crumbling and as Francois said, even if it stands for a while, it will eventually fall, and hopefully sooner than later. Wts is doomed.
Look at what their latest mistake of dfing people has already spawned:
Tons of press, newspapers, tv, radio. Two more Tennessee women who have verified that the borg does coverup child molesting.And who knows how many more will come out of the woodwork.It is possible that many more will now see that is worth it to do so.And that even if nothing else, they will at least get their stories heard and printed like these two former jws. And of course all of the other issues mentioned in this thread that show the borg is weakening in ways that it will never recover from.
There are so many who are fighting them even behind the scenes and we are getting bolder and bolder because we realize that justice has to be levied against them.
And their arrogance is another thing that will help to take them down.
Pride is before a crash and the wts will crash hard.
I look forward to the death of the most evil organization on this planet which is the wts.

worf(warrior class)

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WT PR-Writng Checks They Cannot Cash

by silentlambs in

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please refer to the 1989 boe letter:.

that is the basis of establishing a known child molester.

the second comment is also false as accused child molesters are not automatically removed from positions when accusations are made.

worf

And if they are so interested in "keeping the congregations clean", then why did the Headquarters ignore the "Murder Letter" from the congregation in Florida, the letter from the elder body of that congregation which clearly stated that a jw minister had confessed to the elders that he had committed "several" murders.
The Murder Letter answer that came back from headquarters clearly told the elders that they were not required to disclose that information to anyone. How is a congregation being kept "clean" when there is a murderer, A CONFESSED MURDERER, right in the middle of it?

J.R. Brown, YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A LIAR !!!!

worf (warrior class)

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A message to the critcal people

by JPandelo in

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after cruising the board for a while i must say it is amazing the ignorance that some show on this board of the true issues at hand.

those who are critical and small minded know who they are.

also the meek however angry know who they are as well.

worf

Excellent Justin! I agree with you wholeheartedly. The watchtower must be taken down.There is no other solution. I was raised in the borg and was an elder for 7 years and I know exactlywhat you mean.

Hey I live right in NYC. Maybe we could get together sometime. Feel free to e-mail me.
worf

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Keep Gelding the Watchtower!

by metatron in

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apparently, "letting your light shine before men" carries little.

meaning for the society.

perhaps they reason that their light.

worf

Metatron,

You said " If there is one thing that can cause witnesses in a local congregation to give up and walk away, it is the feeling that the elders are fighting each other, that they have lost control, that they are openly corrupt."

Metatron, this is so true and I know this from personal experience.
When the elders in the congregation I attended decided they wanted to remove me, the congregation knew it was corrupt.The congregation was also aware of the disunity among the elders. As you know I fought my deletion all the way to the top and at least 30 congregation members spoke up for me during the 3 month investigation. These members who testified in my behalf included ministerial servants, an elder, pioneers and pubishers.They even told the society that they did not even trust the other elders. 2 of the pioneers even broke down crying during the investigation as they told the investigators about the kind of treatment they and others regularly recieved from the other elders.
Of course as you know justice was not done, but immediately after the situation attendance dropped from about 90 - 100 per meeting to about 40 - 60 per meeting. That was in 1999. I have it confirmed by 1 person who will still talk to me that even now in 2002, attendance ranges only from about 50 -65. One oldtimer who is a sister and who has been in that congregation since the 70's said that after my case the congregation has never been the same.The wife of the PO who helped to do me in even admitted recently to my contact these words: "We lost a lot of people".
I have also gone and checked it out on a couple of occasions and believe me, attendance is sparse. So many empty seats.

So what you said is so true.

worf

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Ex's Rage Generating Unstoppable Momentum

by Englishman in

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this evening i have just watched a news item that concerned a baby that has been abandoned by the side of a busy main road.

the bbc did a short feature on people who had been found after being literally left on a doorstep somewhere as a new-born baby.. one woman, in her early 60s now, said that she never could get any peace because she just didnt know why her unknown mother had left her on a strangers doorstep.

she didnt know her own name, she didnt even know when she was born or where.

worf

Englishman,

I love this post.
You make some very good points and especially about ex-jws uniting into groups.This is happening on a scale never seen before and ex-jws and even some who are still in are getting bolder and bolder all the time.wts will not be able to stop it.
Excellent post!

worf

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How can they say that?

by Mulan in

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regarding this quote from the article bill bowen posted this morning:.

while the four believe the show's impending broadcast has spurred the church's actions, church spokesman j.r. brown said that before tuesday, church headquarters had no idea that these people would be on the show.

i have to ask how j.r. brown, in good conscience, can say that?

worf

Hey Boozy, and ronin1,

Its really cool to be surrounded by comments by my own brother and sister.
worf

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How can they say that?

by Mulan in

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regarding this quote from the article bill bowen posted this morning:.

while the four believe the show's impending broadcast has spurred the church's actions, church spokesman j.r. brown said that before tuesday, church headquarters had no idea that these people would be on the show.

i have to ask how j.r. brown, in good conscience, can say that?

worf

I'm really not surprised at the lying and dishonesty of JR Brown.
In my case against them, my family and I had a four hour meeting at Bethel with JR Brown and Bob Pevy. They were appointed by the GB to meet with us. They both said that I had been railroaded. They refused to do anything about it.
Their mistake.
worf.

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How can they say that?

by Mulan in

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regarding this quote from the article bill bowen posted this morning:.

while the four believe the show's impending broadcast has spurred the church's actions, church spokesman j.r. brown said that before tuesday, church headquarters had no idea that these people would be on the show.

i have to ask how j.r. brown, in good conscience, can say that?

worf

They definitely knew. They are just a bunch of liars.

worf

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Lies - Professional and Amateurish

by metatron in

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i believe churchill said during ww2 that "truth is so important,.

it must be protected by a bodyguard of lies".

thus, governments.

worf

Che,

Your comment shows either of 2 things:
1. that you have absolutely no idea of what is going on within that organization that you are a part of. OR,
2. You are just being sarcastic.

I hope for your sake that you are just being sarcastic.
Otherwise you will be in for a very rude awakening.

worf

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I Want My Money Back!

by Beck_Melbourne in

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do you remember the donation box on a stand at the back of the kingdom hall, or sitting on the coffee table in the centre of the room at the book study?

since i was a little kid i remember my grandmother giving me a few coins to put in the box for the world wide preaching work fund...and then as i grew older...i was given a note or two...this time for a neighbouring kingdom hall fund.

as time went by...an adult in my own right...i would discreetly put in a few notes for the kingdom hall utilities or to help with the costs of hiring a stadium for the district conventions etc...and sometimes for kingdom hall quick build projects.. i feel so ripped off when i reflect on the amount of money the wt has inherited from deceased estates...and the amount of money and real estate they have hoarded over the years.

worf

Beck,

Maybe if you could use a copy of the "Giving" brochure, that might help you to prove that your Grandmother was coerced.
This brochure was given to the elders to keep in their file and to use discreetly on publishers who asked about how they could contribute to the wts. I have a copy of it.

worf