`all liars and murderers are religionists'.
atheists never lie or murder?.
was communist pol pot a religionist when he ordered mass murder?.
I liked this little gem on page 291
" Will Great Britain and America become Fascist under the dominating control of the Roman Catholic Hierarchy? The Scriptures and the facts appear to fully support that conclusion."
The Spirit at work again, hic!
Allen
on an earlier thread about the wt's tv commercials i said that the society used the media before, more specifically i reffered to their radio station.
it seems to me that they quit using it because they were pressured to.
i remeber reading something, somewhere about the provacative, imflamatory nature of rutherford's remarks being the principal factor.
Voltaire, I looked up the info from the Divine Purpose publication, circa 1958. It gives the Society's version of events. It stated beginning on page 120 that " the radio station WBBS began on February 24, 1924, the president of the Society inaugurated this station by delivering an important lecture entitled "Radio and Divine Prophecy". Live broadcasts of Rutherfords' lectures called "The Watch Tower Hour" with introductory and concluding music furnished by an orchestra maintained by the Society began November 18, 1928 and they continued through 1930. "For more than 3 decades it broadcast as a noncommercial, educational station throughout the entire New York metropolitan area and the neighboring states of Connecticut and New Jersey".The live broadcasts were surplanted in 1931 with what was called "transcribed lectures" on records because the live broadcasts prevented Rutherford from traveling and organizing conventions according to page 122. These 15 minute talks allowed the society to rent telephone lines by the hundreds for simultaneous broadcasts over hundreds of radio stations. This was called the "wax chain". In 1932 this "wax chain" had expanded to more than 340 stations. Rutherfords' attacks particularly against Roman Catholics created public backlash and the demand to take Rutherford off the airwaves. In 1934 the Society began using colporteurs in the use of using phonographs both from cars and at the doors subjecting the neighbors to these prerecorded "lectures".The Society stated it was very successful .On page 138 it says on October 31,1937 the Society withdrew from the airwaves but prior Rutherford spoke on nationwide radio on the concluding day at an assembly in 1937 that the broadcasts were ending and that it was because of a 10 year boycott and intimidation that had been practiced by the Roman Catholic Hierarchy and other clergmen.
Hope this helps. I had to sift thru many pages on the subject reading Tom and Johns' supposed conversation &>:(
Allen
hi guys!!!!.
as most of you all know, i was going to the district assembly in san francisco, with my parents.. well, i went, and it was interesting.... here it goes....... i left on thursday night.
my friend pam came to pick me up.
Airwalk, it's been 18 years since I last attended at the Cowpalace(or in Ca. for that matter). I'm sure it hasn't changed much. I hated the traffic, especially after driving(crawling) 50 miles down the bayshore freeway.
Amazing, your reference to the 1971 Kezar assembly brought back some memories. Bad ones! Those were the worst seats I ever sat on. My wifes' father was in the orchestra too.
Allen
at tonight's service meeting, a letter was read concerning child molestation and the society's policy.. to preface, i jotted down notes in the form of a brief outline.
also, the elder reading it said that the letter is primarily directed to jws for the purpose of answering questions that we may encounter.. here's my outline:.
god's people are happy, in stark contrast to this world.. one reason is that we respect bible's view of sexual matters.. we abhor child abuse.. we will not protect abusers, or sheild them from the consequences of their wicked acts.. we expect elders to investigate every case (report) of child abuse.. but, we congregation follows bible stipulation that there must be two or three witnesses to establish a matter.. no congregation privilages extended to known child molesters.. elders are instructed to report abuse when required by state law.. people have the "absolute right" (my quotation marks for emphasis and to underscore that it is a quote from the letter) to report child abuse to the authorities.. since 1981 several articles published dealing with with matter in wt and awake.. when circumstances made the need clear, we have strengthened our policy over the years.. we feel that our bible-based policy is strong.. some additional notes: there were several scriptures cited and read, i did not jot them down.. well, i did note 1 tim 5:19 and 24. these verses were read after the comment abuout the need for two witnesses.
I too just came back from hearing the letter read at the service meeting. What stuck out in my mind was there was no obvious change in policy. The statement was made that the elders did not discourage the victim from going to the police.(when does a 6 year old do that?)
There was NO mention at all regarding the parents or others in the congregation having a moral or legal responsibility to go to the authorities with allegations of abuse. Non whatsoever.
The elder giving the concluding prayer referring to the allegations in the media used the trigger words 'Gods enemies' 'lying accusations' and prayed for those 'contaminated' by watching the show for having any lingering doubts to be strenghened and to avoid listening to future utterances from the froglike expressions found in revelation.
i have always tried to figure out for years what is the reasoning behind the name kingdom hall, any thoughts on this?
This change signified Rutherfords' perception of the church or congregation of god. With the recent reinterpretation of the identity of the great crowd in Rev.7 it seemed to Rutherford inappropriate to call the house of worship 'the church' any longer since the future coverts weren't even called christians at the time, but jonadabs.
Just my thoughts.
Allen
do i want to be like the ex-jws on this board?
deddaisy, it's because he's imitating his masters. Who have ALWAYS referred to themselves in the 3rd person all these years? All personal references are intentionally purged. That's why it is called Monologue instead of Dialogue. Devoid of pronouns.
one of the characteristics of a cult is deceptive recruting practices.
i would like to ask some specific questions about the accuracy of information that i have gathered thus far.. 1) how much do the jws stress on the usage of theocratic warfare.
in the field service?
No specific instructions that I've been aware of. The deception is by OMISSION. The two current 'tools' used to groom potential converts do not address the ramifications of openly questioning the validity,accuracy of the anonimous literature or authority of the self-proclaimed spiritual leaders who carry the shroud of anonymitity as well.
The current Organization book uses many blanket generalizations that sound good but gives the elder bodies a blank check to attempt to silence any potential threat. One example is found on page 146 "...safegaurding the moral and spiritual cleaness of the congregation and protecting its name".This is just one example.
Allen
wouldn't it be fair to say that early christians were.
obsessed with the name and person of jesus?
wish to deny that?.
I agree Metatron, the NT permeates with references to Jesus and stresses the need to put faith in HIM. Since I stepped down a couple years ago I have made it a point to listen to any and all references to Jesus. I haven't heard any mention of putting faith in Jesus at the hall in 3 years.(1 mention of putting faith in his blood in a school talk) At some meetings there is no mention of Jesus at all except in the prayer(injesusnameamen).
Since I stepped down and 2 other elders 2 years ago,the remaining elders have made it a point at each meeting to stress the F&DS. In their prayers they specifically ask Jehovah to bless THEM(FDS),and continue to have them guide "us". This had never before been stressed . This re-emphasizes their percieved role as "mediator" of the "great?crowd". You know Jesus must be shaking his head in disgust.
this morning i told my wife about my decision to step down as a ms and that i also would'nt be attending any meetings.
she made a few comments that i expected her to make, but strangely enough she was for the most part very silent.
she made it clear that she was against the decision but outside of a few other comments she said very little.
Leander, I too was a MS ,literature servant for many years.I turned in my "resignation" a while back. I used the cognitive dissonance approach. The lack of references,the anonymous quotes,quoting dead people,works no longer in circulation as prohibiting me from "making sure of all things" causing me distress,losing sleep etc....
I had one meeting with them afterwards.They threw the "do you believe its Jehovahs' organization" question at me. I said I did(past tense) but my conscious would not allow me to teach anymore. That was 2 years ago and they have left me alone. One word to the wise,DO NOT openly criticize if you want to do the 'fade away'
of course were all so familiar with the way the society covers up it tracks and it has taken a lot of work to expose its coruption.. but are there more sinister discoveries awaiting?.
why is the society so keen to cover up peadophilia in the organisation?.
does it reach higher than we are presently aware?.
Sleepy, I can only answer one question for you. The worth of the WTBTS is listed at just under 1 Billion. 951 million according to newsday.com listing of the top 40 businesses in NY city. I'm not sure that includes all the KH's that have the society as its "benefactor".
Allen
