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  What is significant about 9/11?

  by Seeker in

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  many jws have become excited by the events of 9/11 in the u.s., thinking that this is a definite sign of the imminent end of the system.

  we have seen online jws talking about how these awful events were "prophecied in the bible" and how this is proof that armageddon is near.

  we have heard reports of local jws saying the same things, including many of our family members.

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  Seeker:

  I think the reason ex-witnesses are returning is quite simple..

  They still have that "fear" gene programmed into them and it hasn't quite been extinguished yet.. So, "fear" drives them back, because as you said, as a witness you are 'trained' to interpret every little bang as the 'signs of the times' indicating the start of Armageddon..

  What needs to be done is somehow to deprogram the ex-witnesses to lose their 'fear' completely.. After all, it's the fear that is keeping them slaves to men, even as ex-witnesses!!!
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  JWs NOT TO SUPPORT OF GOVERNMENTS QUESTION

  by hawkaw in

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  can anyone give me some wt quotes of what jws should and should not do with governments.. ie.

  salute flag and supoort us constitution etc?.

  hawk

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  Hawk:

  Why do I have a feeling you're making a list, checking it twice to see who's been naughty and nice <ROFL>...
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  LOOKING FOR THE TRUTH - I AM NEW HERE

  by erik in

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  hi, my name is erik.

  this is my first posting.

  i was a witness from the age of 2-18. i was baptized in 1990 as a jehovah's witness.

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  wannahelp

  concerned fiance and/or Erik:

  Is there any way I can reach you? Email? Telephone?

  Thanks...

  If you like, Give the helpline a call and tell Marylin it's ok for her to give out your phone # to me..
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  Do I Have a ProblemWith. . . You Know What?

  by drahcir yarrum in

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  last night i awoke from a restless sleep.

  it was probably around three in the morning.

  i heard the patio furniture moving around and thought we might be having some wind gusts.

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  wannahelp

  Sorry,

  Don't know what the fasination with Smurf's and JW's are, but the story nonetheless was enough for a good chuckle..

  Thanks..
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  Nov 15 Watchtower article regarding Hypocrisy

  by chester in

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  i started reading the november 15th watchtower this mroning.. you guys really have to read it.. on page 21 there is an article entitled, "how do you handle hypocrisy?".

  in light of all of the things that have transpired during the last month and a half concerning all of the talk about the wt and their involvement with the united nations, i read it right away.

  one of the paragraphs has a statement that reads: first, we must learn to identify hypocrites.

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  wannahelp

  I heard a rumor that the very same Nov 15 WT has an article in it that bashes the UN? Is that true (I don't have a WT available)..

  Is it possible for you to scan the Hypocrisy article for us? And if there is also an article on the UN, that too??

  Thanks a bunch..
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  LOOKING FOR THE TRUTH - I AM NEW HERE

  by erik in

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  hi, my name is erik.

  this is my first posting.

  i was a witness from the age of 2-18. i was baptized in 1990 as a jehovah's witness.

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  wannahelp

  Hi Erik,

  Welcome to the board..

  I assume you have Read Ray Franz' book, Crisis of Conscience, right?

  If so, he pointed out alot of stuff in that book that you need to take a good hard look at (remove the fear, first and foremost)..

  The JW's claim to be god's earthly channel of communications, right? That would mean that they have claimed to have spoken in God's name? Right? This being true, they have made prophetic errors in god's name. Check the bible, and you will see what God himself said of prphets that speak in his name:

  -- Revised Standard Version --

  Deuteronomy 18:20 - But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.'

  Deuteronomy 18:22 - when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you need not be afraid of him.

  Reread Crisis of Conscience and then cross reference all the statements Ray points out in his book with the actual literature from the organization.. You'll see that Ray is quoting directly from their literature..

  You'll also see that the organization on many occasions has stated infatically that they are god's channel, only they can speak for god, etc.. etc.. etc..

  Now, look at their prophecies they have made over the years.. How many of them have come true? NONE!

  Then, to address your fear I say this (From the inspired word of GOD himself):

  Deuteronomy 18:22 - when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you need not be afraid of him.

  Erik: "You need not be afraid of him" (or them)

  I'm sure others will have even more potent stuff to point out to you, but here is some food for thought...
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  NGO status let the WT inside

  by Norm in

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  the wt representatives was definitely using the benefits of their ngo status.

  imagine being in the same room as so many "babylon the great" representatives:.

  commonwealth of australia.

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  From a quote from OutNFree on another thread..

  NEUTRALITY

  Definition: The position of those who do not take sides with or give support to either of two or more contending parties. It is a fact of ancient and moder-day history that in every national and under all circumstances true Christians have endeavored to maintain complete neutrality as to conflicts between factions of the world. They do not interfere with what others do about sharing in patriotic ceremonies, serving in the armed forces, joining a political party, running for a political office, or voting. But they themselves worship only Jehovah, the God of the Bible; they have dedicated their lives unreservedly to him and give their full support to his Kingdom.

  -- Hmm, how can talking to politicians and trying to convince them of their "point" on religious freedom in any way be considered neutral?

  -- Hmm, how can standing up to the french authorities who decided they are taxable (To the tune of $50,000,000 in back taxes), or standing up to the russian authorities trying to show they are a legit religion be neutral?

  For that matter, I thought they claimed that at some point the "world" would turn on them and stop them from practicing their religion.. That would be a sign of the end, I thought (Sorry, not tooo well versed in this part of their theology).. What, are they themselves trying to keep the end from coming? <G>..

  NEUTRALITY: There goes one of the "points" they use to prove they are the "true religion" :-)

  Not to mention the fact that they themselves are keeping the end from coming, by constantly going against Jehovah and taking a stand in political matters of the governments of the world.. Oh, how angry Jehovah must be at them... I'm glad I'm not them <G>..

  Am I correct in assuming that they believe the "world" will turn on them in the end and keep them from practicing their religion?
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  NGO status let the WT inside

  by Norm in

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  the wt representatives was definitely using the benefits of their ngo status.

  imagine being in the same room as so many "babylon the great" representatives:.

  commonwealth of australia.

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  wannahelp

  Ok tina,

  I give..

  What does this say?

  "si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
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  NGO status let the WT inside

  by Norm in

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  the wt representatives was definitely using the benefits of their ngo status.

  imagine being in the same room as so many "babylon the great" representatives:.

  commonwealth of australia.

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  wannahelp

  Tina,

  No, you are correct also.. They do take and never give back...

  You were not on a side tangent at all.. That is correct..

  I just also wanted to point out that it appears to me that they are involved in politics, no matter what they say!!!

  The criteria for political involvment, along with anything else they do is simply "Because it can benefit me"..
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  NGO status let the WT inside

  by Norm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the wt representatives was definitely using the benefits of their ngo status.

  imagine being in the same room as so many "babylon the great" representatives:.

  commonwealth of australia.

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  wannahelp

  Hi Tina,

  Actually, if you ask me, the very fact that they were at this "commission" isn't a legal thing, it was a political thing.. They were trying to "lobby" to make sure the law supports their freedom of cult (oops, sorry, religion)..

  They were talking to Senators and such... !!!!! The Lawmakers!!! (Not that I know much about Austrialian politics, but I assume a senator there is similiar to a senator here in the US..).. They were lobbying the lawmakers is what they were doing!!!!

  That isn't using the laws, that's trying to influence the law.. That's politics if you ask me!!!!