@Jake - I am not sure if he wanted the fur collar but he did end up getting money afterward and I am sure he did purchase one LOL.
Funny enough he is now a D.O. - former military guy and he was one big "PAYNE" in the ass
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Jehovah only uses honest mean in directing his flock... except that one guy
by confusedandalone inyesterday in yet another attempt to get me back to jehovah's organization of faithful men, we began to argue.
when i asked her how she could possibly trust the men leading this organization who have lied over and over again about everything we believe.
she literally scream ed at me and said, "the men jehvoah uses in this organization to take the lead are standup men who always have the best intentions for the flock.".
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Participating on Assembly Programs and meetings... the hypocritical things that go on
by confusedandalone ini was thinking the other day about how i use to marvel at the idea of being on a ca or do program!
when i was starting to get myself together so to speak i wanted to be one of those guys always giving the powerful talk to shut the assembly down.
the one talk every spoke about in the car ride home.
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I was thinking the other day about how I use to marvel at the idea of being on a CA or DO program! When I was starting to get myself together so to speak I wanted to be one of those guys always giving the powerful talk to shut the assembly down. The one talk every spoke about in the car ride home. However as soon as I started to participate I realized it wasn't the priveledge it appeared to be. The level of rules etc are crazy and some of the counsel I received beforehand was insane. The words others heard as well. For instance:
1. My friends wife was told she would have to get shorter brainds so as not to set a trend amongst the others
2. In the mid-2000's you needed a relaxer or a shorter fro my sister. We do not want anyone thinking we are associated with the Black Panther party... (followed by uncomfortable laughter)
3. I was told off because mI had 17 seconds left in my Bible reading and that I could have stretched out the reading. I seemed unprepared because I did not utilize ALL MY TIME
4. The same Black C.O. that refused our coat told another friend of mine, calm down with the drramatics, the white brothers dont play those games.
5. My Dad was told his hightop dress shoes where inappropriate the DAY OF THE CONVENTION and he had to borrow someone else's shoes 15 minutes beforehand. (You know those dress shoes that look like boots but only if you dont have pants on).
6.Me and My sister were cutout of an assembly part about our family because I was not baptized and neither was my sister... the rest of the family was still there. WTF
7. The ultimate slap in the face. I was scheduled to give my experience on how I overcame sickness and a harsh work schedule and continued seeking first the kingdom and was blessed. The practices for the part as you know at a distant kingdom hall. Over and over again for months. The day comes for the part, and just 1 hour before the district overseer pulls me and the brother who would be interviewing us into the official room at the D.O. convention and says, "There is a missionary couple that has come here from their assignment visiting family. Many in the district know them and I think it would be great if they were interviewed instead since they are in full-time services." I sat there fuming thinking oaf all the time I wasted practicing for this bullshit. Even the brother who was interviewing me thought it was a little rash and that it was probably not the best idea. But of course big WILLY's decision was final.
Fortunately my wife says example 7 stuck with her for years after it happened because it was the ultimate in favortism. She said it always left a bad taste in her mouth. I realize how much of a freaking dummy I was to really think that GOD had anything to do with anything that men do. I also realize i was an idiot for allowing myself to be reamed by these people all the while thinking it was a priveledge
Please please share some of your experiences as well, I would like to feel like aI wasnt the only idiot who fell for the okie doke
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Did having kids make your decision to leave easier or harder?
by Comatose ini was thinking about a few things confusedandalone said the other day.
i mirrored his thinking identically.
for me it was having kids that made my decision to leave an easier one.. if i had no children, i might still be in and just going through the motions.
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Something that always stuck with me was that even if my leaaving resulted in me losing my wife I would still do it for the following reasons:
1. If my wife left me because of my desire not to be a JWW then she obviously didn't love ME. It would hurt to lose her but how much of an idiot would I be to stay around and live a life of pain worshipping somethign that I was not comfortable worshipping and living an unfulfilled life just because I am afraid of losing someone who doesn't love the real me. That would be foolish and a waste of my time.
2. If it meant that she would take the kids away from me I would be crushed and they may think iof me as a loser but there would come a tuime that they would ask themselves, "Why would daddy leave this religion?" If me losing them forever meant they would atleast ponder the notion of leaving this life destroying cult I would be good with that and die knowing that they were aware of the fact that their dad did what he thought was best. Hopefully my actions would spur them to think about their steps.
The most important thing in my life are my children,.. My wife is well aware I would throw her under a bus to save them and she would do the same. So there is no way I would continue to go to the meetings knowing how it would destroy their future if they followed my example. I would be willling to cutoff all contact and not have them in my life if it meant that my actions could possibly make theirs better.
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jgnat I have a new found respect for you because of one post where you said, "Aww SNAP"
I haven't heard that in years LOL
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Jehovah only uses honest mean in directing his flock... except that one guy
by confusedandalone inyesterday in yet another attempt to get me back to jehovah's organization of faithful men, we began to argue.
when i asked her how she could possibly trust the men leading this organization who have lied over and over again about everything we believe.
she literally scream ed at me and said, "the men jehvoah uses in this organization to take the lead are standup men who always have the best intentions for the flock.".
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@Longhairgal - I look back on our time as a young family in the "truth" and I noticed that the majority of the time we were taken advantage of by people who should have been looking out for us - but the people who struggle together TEND to help one another. Elders and CO and DO usually are the biggest asssholes imaginable.
It brings to mind the words and actions of my then C.O. Brown Payne who is now a D.O.
He came to our hall and he threw hints around that he WANTED a new coat. Not needed but wanted a new coat. So the Elders decided to use some of the congo funds to purchase this gift. They got him a nice winter coat and upon giving it to hiim he said he didn't want the coat because it was not leather... and he didn't like it.
Had it been me I may have knocked out a few teeth. That congregation was in the heart of the ghetto and on top of that the people were so poor it was ridiculous. Yet these are the men in control
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Jehovah only uses honest mean in directing his flock... except that one guy
by confusedandalone inyesterday in yet another attempt to get me back to jehovah's organization of faithful men, we began to argue.
when i asked her how she could possibly trust the men leading this organization who have lied over and over again about everything we believe.
she literally scream ed at me and said, "the men jehvoah uses in this organization to take the lead are standup men who always have the best intentions for the flock.".
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Rutherfraud, Mad Freddie - tooo funny.
I remember also when Freddy was in the infirmary no more than a few months before he died my brother who was at Bethel at the time got us in to go to his room and see him along with a few others. I remember him talking but as a kid in the 8th grade I didn't really care what was happening. My mother was silent all the way home and somewhere in the silence she busts out with, "But in the twinkling of an eye...".
Fruggin pathetic dreamchasers and men followers
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Jehovah only uses honest mean in directing his flock... except that one guy
by confusedandalone inyesterday in yet another attempt to get me back to jehovah's organization of faithful men, we began to argue.
when i asked her how she could possibly trust the men leading this organization who have lied over and over again about everything we believe.
she literally scream ed at me and said, "the men jehvoah uses in this organization to take the lead are standup men who always have the best intentions for the flock.".
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Yesterday in yet another attempt to get me back to Jehovah's Organization of faithful men, we began to argue. When I asked her how she could possibly trust the men leading this organization who have lied over and over again about everything we believe. She literally scream ed at me and said, "The men Jehvoah uses in this organization to take the lead are standup men who always have the best intentions for the flock."
SO I had to remind her about a certain brother and experience that I think may be useful to some of you brothers here and lurkers.
Picture this, the very early 70's, and a faithful JW with a wife and 2 kids. Living in the deep south who just so happens to be black. Of course it is hard for this family head to find a job that would provide him with enough money to take care of his family. He even worked 16 hour days at 2 jobs that paid under the table so that he could be paid less than minimum wage... He makes it known within the congregation that he was looking for more permanent work but no one had any offerings. This obviously put great strain on this family head. Then one day he gets a call from a brother that says, "Hey if you need work me and another brother have started a "cleaning" business and we are looking for a large number of brothers to be a part of it.
You will have to leave your family for a couple weeks at a time, but we will send your pay back to your family so that things are taken care of at home, and we will provide you all with food and shelter as we travel from place to place."
Sounds awesome right!!!! So he jusmps at the chance, as well as about 20 other brothers in the local congos. THese brothers travel up and down the eastern seaboard cvcleaning supermarkets and movie theaters and warehouses etc.... seems great. Then it is time to get paid, and the story takes a vicious turn. My mother after 2 weeks calls and says that the broothers paid the rent at the some, and utilities as well as brought some food by - but no real "PAY" was given to them. OF course my father wants to know why, they had an excuse as to why this happened, it will be cleared up later. As you can imagine it never gets cleared up. For the next few months these 2 owners one of which is an ELDER the other a MS continue with these practices. THe brothers also realize something weird. The two owners put them in ratty motels 4 to a room while these tweo men have grand Hotel rooms in beautiful hotels a couple miles away... These men also provide food to these men, buy paying for enormous pots of spaghetti for them but for themselves they are eating the finest foods while running around with clients. THey also buy new suits and shoes for themselves as they travel while these men wear the same tattered clothes that they brought with them.
You would think men could only take so much of theis treatment but since they are "BROTHERS" they endure. Well after another month or so, one of the unstable brothers gets a call from his wife and she tells him they have no money or food and they have no idea what they are going to do. Had this been any of these other brothers this would probably have been met with a mere, "Wait on Jehovah"... the problem is that this one particular brother was a little different. You see, this brother was a former GREEN BERET in the Army. He was a little "weird" at times. He had a bad temper ONCE HE GOT PUSHED to the edge. Apparently this call from his wife pushed him to that edge. He found out what hotel they were staying at and walked down there and demanded his money... ALL OF IT right then and there or no one would leave that room. All the while laughing and twitching. All of a sudden the money that was supposedly "tied up" was flowing freely!!! THe man got paid, got to a bus station and left!
The others dealt with it for a while longer and many left. THe problem is the damage had been done to many families and they were encouraged to write it off and that Jehovah would take care of the matter.
So now you are no doubt wondering, "What happened to the brothers who were defrauding the others????" Obviously JEHOVAH made sure that they received some form of judicial reprimand right? right? right? FOr the love of GOD he let PAul kill Annanias and Sappphira for far less. Look at what happened to Nabal? Surely, the upright GOD of the bible made these men atleadt pay these men.
Well no, as a matter of fact no more than just 2 years after all this transpired the MS was an elder, BUT HERE IS THE KICKER!!!! ARE YOU READY??? REALLY I HOPE YOU ARE READY FOR THIS? THIS DRAMATIC CAPITAL LETTTER BUILDUP IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WORTH IT!!! BELIEVE ME!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU WILL PROBABLY SHIT YOUR PANTS WITH ANGER!!!!
Seriously its that good!
Anyway the brother who was a married eldered who was a 50% party to this horrible scheme WENT INTO THE CIRCUIT WORK! I Believe at this time he is a District Overseer(I know he is atleast a C.O. still because in the 90's we ran into this jackwagon at a District Convention and he made a smart remark about my father and my super righteous brother acted like he wanted to go apeshit). As I typed this I search for his name on this forum and yup I saw it mentioned moer than a few times...
Anyway after reminder her of this she says, "No doubt Jehovah forgave him so how can I not forgive him. Jehovah must have saw something in him that we could not see." I think she is right, he is the same type of fraudster tha tthe big 8 are. They take advantage of you in the name of Jehovah and dare you to do anything about it.
As you can imagine the phone call ended in her hanging up the phone on me and telling me she will pray for me until they official catch up to me and remove me from the flock.
THANKS MA!!!
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The reason behind why the ex-JW community can never match Jehovah's Witnesses' success.
by Stand for Pure Worship inan average of five kingdom halls being constructed daily, almost 8 million brothers and sisters, dissemination of bible literature in 595 languages, 111,795 congregations worldwide, distribution of 179 million bibles available in 116 languages, 239 countries where jehovah's witnesses have a presence, etc.. need i go on?.
on the other hand........... crisis of conscience, freeminds, the awaa, jw.net, ummmmmm........hmmm........idk six screens or something?
not exactly working out for you guys.
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Can one find God without studying the Bible?
by Dis-Member ini don't recall jesus ever once telling people that they should even read the bible to find god.. he said nothing about 'taking in knowledge' either.. .
he didn't encourage people to read the bible because 90% of people in his day couldn't read!
the bible was not read by most people, it was -heard- when someone else read it aloud.
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" Sometimes we do not or cannot hear Him because we set conditions and place limitations on how He can speak... and also WHAT He can speak."
WTF
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I wonder...
by braincleaned ini wonder about why so many of us stick to the "truth" within the frame of the jehovah's witness religion.. of course, the wts has authority over our minds thru the control of information, demonizing any "worldly" knowledge that might jeopardize our faith in this entity.. thru my own experience, i understand how we can stick to this organization; because of a life's investment in serving, and the close ties of family and peers we do not wish to abandon or upset.
so we are here on sites like these, to understand the mechanisms of the cult... to try to make sense of why we should stay, or why we should leave.. the consequences are too important to take this lightly, or too swiftly.. if i may share a bit of my journey, i did not have to worry too much about the cult at first, because my main battle was based deeper than that.
after all, the root of any christian religion is in the bible itself; faith in jehovah and christ; trust in the idea that the bible is inspired by god himself.. so yes, my quest went to the base, the root of the jw faith... the bible.. since childhood, the character of jehovah was a problem for me.
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" By the time I clicked on my first "apostate" site, I was already on way to being an atheist."
I found this to be true in my case as well. There were actually times while I was still very active that I felt like I was just spinning my wheels working for absolutely nothing. Remembering also how little I actually prayed if ever
