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  WT's expert on blood!

  by Joyzabel in

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  the january 8, 2000 awake magazine published an article "the growing demand for bloodless medicine and surgery".

  this article has been quoted extensively by jws as support for their "scientific" justification for refusing blood products.. a quote from that article that is familiar to most jws and exjws is this one:.

  “all those dealing with blood and caring for surgical patients have to consider bloodless surgery.”—dr.

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  Marking, so i can find this later

  Thanks for the thread
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  Defend Jehovah's Witnesses.. False claim from opposers of JW's--Creative Day..

  by James Mixon in

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  2. bible

  "the creative day" how long was each day?

  defend.

  maybe this was posted before but i found this site.. search the above site.

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  The WTS has gone from the early Russell doctrine of all creation happening in less than 50,000 years to a doctrine similar (7 thousand year days instead of literal 24 hour days) to what some call 'gap creationism'.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gap_creationism

  The newer teaching is that the universe and earth were created billions/millions years ago, but only recently did Jehovah start the creation process on the earth, as far as plants, humans, etc. Complete BS, but this way they attempt to claim that the Bible and science agree (if you're trying to convince a 4 year old)
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  JUst wondering if the Funeral will be at Kingdom Hall

  by ShirleyW in

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  2. friends

  probably not, since his mom already passed and no other family members are jws.

  was he officially dfd or he just walked away, don't remember.

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  Is the Society going to get his millions? (250 million) That would be miracle money to cover molestation suits.

  
  

  ouch, that just made me go all conspiracy theorist.
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  Prince is dead.

  by DATA-DOG in

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  2. beliefs

  has anyone heard about this?

  that really sucks.

  lots of dubs are talking.

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  But, seriously...

  I am saddened by the news. Wasn't a huge fan, but he was influential and part of the soundtrack of my life.

  RIP Prince
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  Prince is dead.

  by DATA-DOG in

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  2. beliefs

  has anyone heard about this?

  that really sucks.

  lots of dubs are talking.

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  yea, I kinda figured, but it was staring me in the face, and I don't come here very often, so I took the plunge
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  Prince is dead.

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  has anyone heard about this?

  that really sucks.

  lots of dubs are talking.

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  Lots of dubs are talking. Are they realizing that they will also die

  This is what it sounds like when dubs cry
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  NEW BLOOD CARD w/ FORCED COMPLIANCE also LEGALISM

  by apocalypse in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".

  the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".

  this is huge.

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  Don't sign it. Don't carry it. Don't let JW family make health decisions for you. Lie, deceive, do what ya gotta, but just don't let this card/form in your life.

  When I explained my situation to my doctor (family still in, me out) - that I would be pressured to refuse blood by my JW wife, he said, 'if your wife won't support you in a life saving procedure, maybe you need a new wife'. Not a great bedside manner, but it demonstrated just how insane this doctrine really is.

  Another occasion during an emergency, the ER staff was prepping me for a possible blood transfusion, if things took a turn for the worse. A JW family member tried to intervene and play the blood ban card (not the literal card, just a metaphor). They were removed from the room, the ER head nurse said to me, 'you are the patient. You are of sound mind. Do you wish us to use every means at our disposal to help you? We will abide by your decision and will ignore any further input from family. Please decide now.'

  I think most medical staffs are onto the WTS' tricks, and realize that most JWs are being coerced, either directly thru the HLC or JW family, and are finding ways to let the patient, when possible, make decisions on their own. Of course, this doesn't help children, or people unconscious (or people who signed a card when they shouldn't have), and will remain a life threatening issue with this religion as long as they hold to this murderous policy.
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  JW Chef Refuses to Cook Black Pudding

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sainsbury's has been forced to apologise after its jehovah's witness chef refused to serve a customer black pudding with his full english breakfast.alan mackay was stunned when he was told he could not enjoy the staple, made up of animal fat, blood and oatmeal, with his meal at the branch in arnold, nottingham.after receiving his incomplete dish the former police officer was told the black pudding would not be served because it was against the religious beliefs of the chef to do so....

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  It's like the ole cigarette deal here in Southern US. You couldn't work for RJ Reynolds or Lorillard or Phillip Morris, MAKING cigarettes. But you could work for the 7-11 C-store selling them.

  So, if all this 'chef' had to do was add the black pudding to the rest of the order, it's not against his religion. If, however, he was actually preparing the stuff (and I have no idea if it's made to order, or pre-made, and held till requested), then it might fall under the restrictions, as far as JW dogma goes anyway.
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  I would rather be in the JW cult than the ex-jw cult

  by questioningmyfaith in

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  i have posted one other time on this website.

  just for the mere fact that i wasn't anger and bitter and ready to declare the gb the sociopathic criminals that so many here ascribe to, my initial question digressed to bickering over ad hominem attacks against the gb and not my beliefs that i'm questioning.

  some did give me some help on my questions.

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  "M" is for "Memorial"

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  2. friends

  many weeks ago, i apparently put "m" on today's date- wednesday, march 23rd, in my google calendar.

  it was supposed to remind me that the memorial that jehovah's witnesses observe would be held today.

  i was flipping through my calendar this past weekend and asked my wife "what in the world is 'm' for (that day)?

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  I didn't have a clue when the M was until the other day when someone at work that had a Friday deadline said the company was closed that day. I asked why we would be closed and they said, 'well duh! Easter weekend. It's Good Friday'. That's when I realized it must also be M week, and went back and looked at the invite that a family member left at the house.