hmmm....perhaps I should come to see the Canadian Branch of Apostates..just to make sure evrything is in order....would like to know soldi date..maybe I can grab a plane and come and see you all.
Sincerely,
District Overbeer
Posts by Valis
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35Apostfest Toronto 2002 EH!
by Beans inyes brothers and sisters i am setting a date saturday may 4th 2002. i would like some feedback from our locals as to where we should meet as some have met before.
i believe downtown seems to be a good spot, let me know.. beans, [email protected].
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Valis
Many of the JWs that I ever knew or associated with, couldn't affor full on funerals and had no other choice...for the best anyway. Funeral businesses are as big a racket as religion by far.
Sincerely,
District Overbeer
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WT Internet Apostate List?
by borgfree ina few years ago someone posted a link to a site, that was supposed to be a wt site, listing the screen names of known apostates.
has anyone seen that site, and, is it still around?.
at the time i was very disappointed that i did not make the list.. borgfree.
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Valis
You can find a fairly big list here in Excel format.
http://www.watchtowernews.org/findexjws.htm
Sincerely,
District Overbeer
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Thowing away WTS Publications
by Judith inin the past weeks, i have been throwing away my 32 year library of books.
the feeling of freeing myself from the weight of the lies contained within the pages was my objective.
i have always been afraid of letting them go just in case it was the "truth.
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Valis
Greetings Judith. There are a couple of reasons some here collect JW books. For some it becomes an obsession, you know how pack rats are. Looking for way to pick apart JW thought and ideology, requires you have the text in hand, if that's your thing, which is a big reason many keep the borg material. For some its like a business..where there is a need there is always someone who can turn those lemons into lemonade. If you really want to be done with it, and you have no intention of dismantling the WT through indepth scholarly debate/writings/letters/posts, throw your books away. Having them around will be a constant reminder of your own bad time. Being happy and getting on with your intellectual/physical/spiritual life is a much better reminder of from whence you came. BTW, they make great kindling.
Sincerely,
District Overbeer
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Human Sacrifice
by IslandWoman inin my religious and cultural heritage, human sacrifice has always been abhored.
yet, that is what the christ was; a human sacrifice.. the jewish writings condemned human sacrifice, but the christians reveled in the notion that a man died in their place.. human sacrifice is the foundation of the christian faith.
they are no better than the mayans!.
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What has always been interesting to me is that South American and Central American cultures developed separately, although having many simmilarities with the Western Christian experience. I'll give a few examples from the Mayan experience.
The Mayans believed in resurrection, as many of thier stories involve the continuous return of thier dieties in the form of stars, the ever returning maize, and the belief in an afterlife. The afterlife being a place where your ancestors could still have control over your existence, especially if you were nice to them. Sounds like demons to me...heehee, which they believed in along with an underworld of dead folks...
The Great White Way...or what we call the Milky way, was almost always represented by a corn stalk that also resembles a cross. This was quite a shock to the Spanish for more than one reason. See pic below..more resurrection business as it moves across the sky and disappears....and then reappears.
Immaculate conception was also a central part of thier mythology, which made the concept behind Chirstianity easy for the Mayans to assimilate into Maya. Many of thier demigods, half human/god lived on earth, which consist of many tales involving ordinary Mayan life..especially that of boy/heroes/saviours...Sound familiar? As we all know, someone forgot to mention that the Mayans wanted to keep thier own religion as well....definitely trouble in paradise. Just another fine example of bossy christians having thier way.....Oh I almost forgot..the Mayans had 4 floods, not one. Lucky bastards! Where's my straight jacket? Orderly!!!
Sincerely,
District Overbeer
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Hebrews 12:28 - Holy Fear
by MavMan inhebrews 12:28.
"since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be destroyed, let us be thankful and please god by worshiping him with holy fear and awe.".
do you worship god with holy fear and awe?.
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Valis
I might live in 'holy fear and awe" if I could walk on water, part the Red Sea, have one of those cool Moses staffs that turned into a snake and pissed off other magicians, cast demons into a herd of swine, make water into wine/beer, feed all my friends w/endless loaves and fishes on demand, build a boat and hang out with a pair of each animal on the earth for 40 days/nights, be concieved immaculately, get resurrected, turn into a pillar of salt, talk to a snake, slay giants with a geology specimen, play like Louie Armstrong of the Old Testament and ruin fortified cities, eat flaky stuff that fell out of the sky for sustinence, hang out with a whole bunch of ravenous lions and not get eaten, and most of all....believe the absurd.
Sincerely,
District Overbeer
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The new UADSP!
by taoInitiate inhey guys and girls.
i think it's time we started a uadsp :.
unseen apostate directorate of the south pacific.. who's going to head up the australian division?
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Valis
Don't forget the secret handshakes...and I want my own fez please....
Sincerely,
District Overbeer
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Human Sacrifice
by IslandWoman inin my religious and cultural heritage, human sacrifice has always been abhored.
yet, that is what the christ was; a human sacrifice.. the jewish writings condemned human sacrifice, but the christians reveled in the notion that a man died in their place.. human sacrifice is the foundation of the christian faith.
they are no better than the mayans!.
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Valis
Island, there's a little thing called cultural relativism you might want to consider. The Mayans used human sacrifice for quite some time in thier early history, but at the peak of the Mayan civilisation, there was very little. Most of the sacrifice was that of prisoners taken from warring tribes, which isn't too different than Jehovah's earthly forces slaying godless tribes people in the Old Testament. Not only did it give credence to the power and authority to the reigning King/Queen, but also to the Mayan dieties. The Mayans much preferred auto sacrifice..i.e. piercing ones body parts, blood letting for hallucinatory effect, beer/mushrrom/caffiene enemas, fasting, etc.....Its hard not to mix and compare cultures, but I urge you to do a little research before lumping the chrisites with a society and its religious practices that existed long before christianity, no to was mention separate and quite prosperous until the Spanish arrived.
On Auto Sacrifice:
http://www.halfmoon.org/vision.htmlOn Texas Maya Meetings: Best Place to Learn
http://www.mayavase.com/mayameet.html
Sincerely,
District Overbeer
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JWs and Self Immolation
by Valis ini've been thinking about all the recent incidents involving those in the wt and those who no longer associate with it...it seems to me that the bryants were subject to another form of self destructive behavior that the flock brings upon itself.
not accepting blood, shunning, no transplants, living/worshipping among pedophiles, isolating the young from education, disrespecting women and thinking less of them in the congo, etc...are all forms of abberant/self destructive ways of life.
ways of life that are not singular in thier effect, but have multiplicitous repercussions.
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Valis
I've been thinking about all the recent incidents involving those in the WT and those who no longer associate with it...It seems to me that the Bryants were subject to another form of self destructive behavior that the flock brings upon itself. Not accepting blood, shunning, no transplants, living/worshipping among pedophiles, isolating the young from education, disrespecting women and thinking less of them in the congo, etc...are all forms of abberant/self destructive ways of life. Ways of life that are not singular in thier effect, but have multiplicitous repercussions. The only problem is that not even the papers really report it that way. They always keep thier distance from calling them kooks, or the condemnation of things that obviously destroy lives. Granted, the children invovled had no choice, nor are they in any way responsible, only the victims of more than being murdered. Definitely however, stuck in a morasse of biblical direction and ideology gone to the extreme. I lay blame evenly on the shoulders of the elders, who obviously counseled the estranged wife to avoid Robert, and or keep him from association with his children. Then too, the estranged wife must share some of the hateful responsiblity for alienating Robert to the point of blowing more than his proverbial stack. Obviously she had complete control over the children and denied him one of the most basic rights a parent has. That of being with his/her kids and sharing his life with them. Regardless of her reason, be it her wacko religious convictions, her poor relationship with him after the break up, or her own manipulation of the childern which guaranteed that he would feel isolated from and unwanted by his kids, she bought into a bad ticket.. And finally, Mr. Bryant himself. He failed to do several things in my opinion, that would have lessened his emotional turmoil. Mostly things like demand to see his kids, get a court order if necessary, and get his own life. Needless to say, he was missing a few screws and probably had the potential to be a family killer even when he was a good JW, but I see in his anguish the inability to ever really give up the org and all its trappings. It sucks feeling like half a person, however you are the only one who can allow that to happen to you, especially for long periods of time. This may say something for his lack of emotional development, social development, mental capacity, or the desire to "start over". The starting over is a classic reason for family killings, like Longo. I'm sure all of us can gather from our experiences, that it would not be terribly difficult to go way crazy after years of living in guilt, superstition, fear of jehovah and the elders, repression and isolation. I feel very fortunate in my life, to have avoided such hatefulness by leaving early and very saddened for those who have to clean up in the aftermath of such an unecessary/unfortunate course of events. A bad ride indeed. Just my two cents.
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District Overbeer
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New Smurf Drawing
by Valis inok...i have new smurfs that are looking for good apostate homes.
the first smurf to go will be anonymous smurf, as i can't tell which one he is.
i'll keep the rules nice and simple:.
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Valis
plmkrzy, I can continue w/the drawing and send you orther smurf paraphanalia...let me know soon...these smurfs are burnig a hole in my floor.
Sincerely,
District Overbeer