Posts by johnamos

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The United Nations / The counterfeit Kingdom of God .

by smiddy3 in

their was also an article in jw`s publications wt ?

that stated that the united nations was set up as the counterfeit kingdom of god to take away emphasis from the kingdom of god by christ jesus .

this is a paraphrase of what was stated however , "the un as a counterfeit kingdom of god" was stated.

johnamos

Fink, you are describing the present authority of the UN now and since it’s founding. But there will become a point to which the UN will be given absolute authority and that point will be due to WW3. The League of Nations came about due to WW1 and the UN due to WW2. Another war is what it will take to convince nations and peoples that the world needs the UN to act with such authority for the good of the world.

[Rev 13:1 And I saw a wild beast ascending out of the sea…5 And a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies was given it, and authority to act forty-two months was given it.]

Revelation 17:11 And the wild beast…it is also itself an eighth king…and it goes off into destruction…13 These have one thought, and so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.]

That is what the Bible describes, but being that y'all here don't believe the Bible, then you can still see by George Bush, Walter Cronkite, Pope, etc that there is a goal to have the UN as THE world power (one world government).

Smiddy, Please don't imagine that the WTS being an NGO and or withdrawing from such when it came to light, is what made them part of the UN or not. They are still very much a part of it behind the scenes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Turner

[Ted Turner - As a philanthropist, he is known for his $1 billion gift to support the United Nations, which created the United Nations Foundation, a public charity to broaden domestic support for the UN. Turner serves as Chairman of the United Nations Foundation board of directors.]

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2012926?q=%22ted+turner%22&p=par#h=22

[12-15 12 WT - In a selfish and nationalistic world, it is refreshing to find individuals who can and do look beyond national borders. Granted, overcoming prejudices can be difficult. The founder of the television network CNN, Ted Turner, comments about his work with a number of talented individuals from various nations: “Meeting with these people was an incredible experience. I came to see those from other countries not as ‘foreigners,’ but as fellow citizens of the planet. I began to view the word ‘foreign’ as pejorative and created a rule within CNN that the word could not be used either on air or in conversation around the office. Instead, the word ‘international’ was to be used.”]

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/402012926?q=%22ted+turner%22&p=par#h=22

(Simplified) [12-15 12 WT - We live in a world where many people are selfish and think that their own nation is the best nation. But it is good to know that there are some who love people of all nations. Of course, it may take effort to change the way we think about other people. Ted Turner, who started the television network CNN, worked with talented people from around the world. He said: “I came to see those from other countries not as ‘foreigners,’ but as fellow citizens of the planet.” He made a rule that his employees were not allowed to use the word “foreign.” Instead, they were supposed to use the word “international.”]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRK0Lx8HVU0

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The United Nations / The counterfeit Kingdom of God .

by smiddy3 in

their was also an article in jw`s publications wt ?

that stated that the united nations was set up as the counterfeit kingdom of god to take away emphasis from the kingdom of god by christ jesus .

this is a paraphrase of what was stated however , "the un as a counterfeit kingdom of god" was stated.

johnamos

Quote - The UN does not have authoritative power over all other nations, therefore it is not a global world power. – End quote

Well, Well, Well! For all you doubters, please note the following:

[Revelation 17:11 And the wild beast…it is also itself an eighth king…and it goes off into destruction…13 These have one thought, and so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.]

[1-15-00 WT – Here the apostle John mentions seven kings, representing seven world powers—Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and the Anglo-American dual world power. He also sees “an eighth king” that “springs from the seven.” This eighth king—the last one that John envisions—now represents the United Nations. John says that this eighth king “goes off into destruction,” after which no further earthly kings are mentioned.]

[Revelation Climax – As John soon learns, the time will come when the UN will act with considerable authority. Then it, in its turn, “goes off into destruction.”]

[6-15-12 WT – Any power it (8th king/U.N.) has comes from its member nations, especially from its key backer, the Anglo-American World Power. (Rev. 17:10, 11) But it does receive authority to act as a king to carry out a specific task, one that triggers a chain of events that will change history.]

[Rev 13:1 And I saw a wild beast ascending out of the sea…5 And a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies was given it, and authority to act forty-two months was given it.]

Okay, now putting the Bible and WTS references aside, view/listen and read ALL of the following:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DtEcZ3cfg4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfgFvdSPF70

https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/item/32245-pope-francis-calls-for-end-of-sovereignty-and-establishment-of-global-government

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D Day and its Silent Witness sinks the WT

by Slidin Fast in

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today, of all days brands the whole the wt org and all of its basic ideas as wrong and misguided.. why?

firstly, the veterans of d day have been on our screens, modestly talking of their part in the liberation of france on this day in 1944 are a quiet witness to the preposterousness of the generations doctrine.

there is no manipulation of the wt interpretation of the generation prophecy that can trump that fact.. these modest men and women are all in their 90s and it is acknowledged that this will be the last celebration that they will attend.. secondly, nobody likes war, nobody wants the loss of life that occurred but who, looking back would argue that the job started on that day di not need doing and that the freedom that its success gave europe and the world was a bad thing.

johnamos

quote - … God /Jehovah did because he was so involved directly and indirectly in so many wars as recorded in the Old testament which is Gods word isn`t it ? - end quote

Imagine that, Jehovah chose to have recorded in the Old testament all the information about the wars that you say he was directly and indirectly involved in.

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How many heavens are their ? 1,2,3 ?,and how many if any have been discovered by Rocket Satellite probes ?

by smiddy3 in

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how many heavens does the bible identify ?.

1,2,3,?.

the voyager satellites have now gone beyond our solar system in the year 2019 , taking off in the 1970`s and have never encountered one heaven of any sort in that journey ..

johnamos

Are you aware that there are many sounds all around us on a daily basis that are occurring that we simply cannot hear because they are not within the sound frequency of the human ear. Do you think perhaps the same is the case with our sight (eyes),

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Check out this shameless image on jw.org.

by nicolaou in

another generation of children being fed the same lie we, our parents and grandparents were told.

this is the link, it's image number 8. https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/united-states/2019-love-never-fails-international-convention-series-overview/.

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johnamos

quote - Well JWs need to stop shunning, that’s first priority. - end quote

Why should they have to stop? What needs to happen is ones that would be shunned need to toughen up and stop crying about being shunned! If JW's have the willingness to stop talking to the ones that they would shun, then the ones that would be shunned should be willing to stop talking to JW's that would shun them. Imagine if all the PIMO week cry babies that stay in because they don't won't to lose contact with the very ones that would turn their back on them in a second, imagine what a impact it would have on the congregations (WTS) if all PIMO ones spoke up and walked out. Stop being PIMO and instead be POMO. JW's are fond of saying that sometimes when you feel like missing a meeting or stopping all together that when they go to the meetings and see the ones that are there that it encourages you to continue. So PIMO ones are actually aiding in keeping JW's in. If PIMO ones left regardless of shunning, they would encourage many to leave.

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Pale.Emperor Summons Some Demons

by pale.emperor in

remember when we were jws and all loved to hear demon stories?

and then there was always that paranoid person that would shut us up "in case they're listening"?

and the resident crazy every congregation seems to have that claims to have been possessed at some point?.

johnamos

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According to the Old Testament aren`t YHWH God and the then Nation of Israel guilty of War crimes by today`s standards? ?

by smiddy3 in

just going by memory here with regard to the "old testament' when god promised the land he chose for the jews ,flowing with milk and honey ?.

their is no record in the bible of god ever giving an option to all the nations that already lived their to move on and he would compensate them at a new destination.?.

apparently without warning he just charged up the israelite`s for war with these nations to evict them from this territory that they had resided in for who knows how long.. not only that ,they apparently spared no one in their conquests killing man,woman and even dashing children to pieces ,and not feeling sorry for anyone.. don`t people think that this is a bit barbaric ?.

johnamos

Smiddy, I have often thought the same, but instead of looking at it as the Israelites going into the land and evicting those that were already there, I thought why not let the Israelites stay in the desert and just transform that to be the so-called land flowing with milk and honey.

But here is what you have to think about, everything that is viewed as “barbaric", etc.…in regards to Jehovah, he himself had all that info recorded. Do you think that info that shows him in a negative way and that as a result we were going to read it and just turn around and rip him apart that he could have just chose not to have it written down? Yet he has no issue with given us that information! Do you think that if he created man to have the emotions we do and a sense of right and wrong, etc.…that you are going to have a better stronger sense of any such emotions or views, then the one that created that within us to begin with?

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What Views or Beliefs Do Jehovah’s Witnesses No Longer Teach?

by minimus in

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evidently they have changed their creative day from being 7000 years per day.

all blood transfusions were taboo but now blood fractions might be allowed to be taken into the body.

vaccinations were sinful at one time but not now.. can you name other views or beliefs that have changed from being considered “truth” to no longer “the truth “?.

johnamos

As far as an outline talk, that talk is still given presently, but that particular quoted talk that I posted was given in Oct of 2001.

22:06 – 22:30 mark

(22:06-22:30)

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What Views or Beliefs Do Jehovah’s Witnesses No Longer Teach?

by minimus in

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friends

evidently they have changed their creative day from being 7000 years per day.

all blood transfusions were taboo but now blood fractions might be allowed to be taken into the body.

vaccinations were sinful at one time but not now.. can you name other views or beliefs that have changed from being considered “truth” to no longer “the truth “?.

johnamos

Nope, not as far as fulfilling prophecy!

When they say they no longer refer to Christendom as the antitypical Jerusalem that means that all past/present teachings where they applied prophecies to Christendom, actually instead apply to them. (JW’s WTS/GB)

Example:

[7-1-84 WT p.11, 12 par. 16 - In like fashion, Jehovah will bring a heavily armed modern-day Assyrian as his “rod” and “ax” to execute apostate Christendom.]

[11-15-13 WT p. 19,20 par 16 - In the past, the people of Jerusalem were attacked by the Assyrians. Soon, Jehovah’s people will again be attacked by an “Assyrian,” or enemy, that will try to destroy them. The Scriptures refer to that attack as well as the attack of ‘Gog of Magog,’ the attack of “the king of the north,” and the attack of “the kings of the earth.”]

AND:

[12-15-75 WT p.743 - ~~Christendom’s~~ JW's “holy place,” however, will soon be invaded and destroyed. It is no more sacred in the eyes of God than were Jerusalem and her temple prior to their destruction in 70 C.E. ~~The religions of Christendom~~ JW's will be deprived of their field of operation, losing control of everything. No respect will be shown for any of their claimed religious rights.]

* See link for why I can cross out Christendom.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102017189?q=%22we+no+longer+refer+to+Christendom+as+the+antitypical+Jerusalem%22&p=par

[Quote from “What the Future Holds” talk; speaking about Gog’s attack – “What’s the point? Brothers, we should expect them to despoil us of our human rights. We should expect them to confiscate all of Jehovah’s belongings and close down and take possession of all our branches, factories, depots, kingdom halls, assembly halls, everything. Don’t make any mistake about it. We are all in this together. We have a common enemy.”]

[Restored At Last! p. 187-188 - The nations will “devise an evil plan.” They will seek to vent their long-standing rage and hatred on Jehovah’s worshippers, who will seem vulnerable, as if “living in settlements unprotected by walls, bars, or gates.” The nations will also be eager to “take much spoil and plunder” from those “who are accumulating wealth.” (Ezek. 38:10-12)… The nations may try to disrupt our way of life and stop us from carrying out our worship. To that end, perhaps they will try to interrupt the flow of spiritual food, prevent us from meeting together, break up the unity we enjoy, and stop us from zealously proclaiming God’s message.]

[Isaiah 10:5 “Aha, the As·syr´i·an, the rod for my anger, and the stick that is in their hand for my denunciation! 6 Against an apostate nation I shall send him, and against the people of my fury I shall issue a command to him, to take much spoil and to take much plunder and to make it a trampling place like the clay of the streets.]

[Ezekiel 38:13 Is it to do much plundering that you have congregated your congregation, in order to carry off silver and gold, to take wealth and property, to get a very great spoil?”’]

[6-1-81 WT p.30 - Joel 3 2-16, 19 It tells us why Jehovah is angry with the nations—because of the way they have treated his servants. They scattered them among the nations, making slaves of them. Also, they robbed Jehovah’s temple of its gold, silver and other desirable things, and brought these into their own temples.]

[Joel 1:10 The field has been despoiled, the ground has gone to mourning; for the grain has been despoiled, the new wine has been dried up, the oil has faded away. 11 Farmers have felt shame; vinedressers have howled, …the harvest of the field has perished.17 Dried figs have shriveled under their shovels. Storehouses have been laid desolate. Barns have been torn down, for the grain has dried up. 18 O how the domestic animal has sighed! How the droves of cattle have wandered in confusion! For there is no pasturage for them. Also, the droves of the sheep have been the ones made to bear guilt. 19 “To you, O Jehovah, I shall call; for fire itself has devoured the pasture grounds of the wilderness, and a very flame has consumed all the trees of the field. 20 The beasts of the field also keep longing for you, because the channels of water have dried up, and fire itself has devoured the pasture grounds of the wilderness.”]

[3-15-61 WT p.192 –The opening verse of Isaiah 29 shows that these words are addressed to Ariel, concerning which the footnote of the New World Translation states: “‘Ariel.’ Meaning, perhaps, ‘the altar hearth of God’; or, ‘the lion of God.’ Designating Jerusalem here.” This prophecy would therefore apply to spiritual Jerusalem as represented upon earth by the remnant. These words show that God’s earthly organization would come under attack and would be reduced to a very low state by the enemies of God’s kingdom. God’s people would be, as it were, crushed to the earth, at the time of Gog’s attack upon them, so that what utterance they made, what vocal sounds they made, would come up from low down in their abasement. It would be sound coming up from the very dust of the earth. It would be as if a spirit medium were talking with the vocal sound coming from the dust of the earth.]

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What Views or Beliefs Do Jehovah’s Witnesses No Longer Teach?

by minimus in

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friends

evidently they have changed their creative day from being 7000 years per day.

all blood transfusions were taboo but now blood fractions might be allowed to be taken into the body.

vaccinations were sinful at one time but not now.. can you name other views or beliefs that have changed from being considered “truth” to no longer “the truth “?.

johnamos

The BIGGEST view/belief that they no longer teach is that they were not judged back in 1918/19, but instead that judgment is still future, corresponding with Gog's attack.

Of course they teach that indirectly...

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102017945