Posts by johnamos

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The Myth About Jehovah as a "GOD of LOVE".

by smiddy3 in

i`ll list a few things and welcome any input, comments you may have .. 1.when adam & eve "sinned" disobeyed him, surely god could have handled it better than to condemn all future generations to disease and death ?.

2.his handling of satan who supposedly seduced eve to disobey god could also have been done a lot differently with a finality to it.. 3.i find little if anything in his dealings with the patriarchs that suggests a loving god protecting them.?.

4.taking on the nation of israel and leading them as his chosen people does not inspire confidence or trust as a god of love.. 5.throughout the hebrew scriptures / old testament his chosen people were constantly at war with other nations which of course would have meant many deaths of the israelite`s during these battles .and the grief that comes with family members in those times.

johnamos

YES, you got those 6 points from reading the Bible, and Jehovah didn't hold back from giving that info did he? Why do you think that is?

And for the umpteenth time where do you get your ability to LOVE and have a sense of what is right or wrong, just or unjust?

Also, you say Jehovah caused millions or even billions of deaths and due to that you rest your case that Jehovah is not a God of LOVE. Well what do you say about when those people are resurrected and have the chance to live forever ...is that unloving of Jehovah?

If now at the present time you have had someone you LOVED that has died and you were/are hurt and sadden and missing them and Jehovah resurrected that person tonight while you are sleeping and they knocked on your door in the morning and you opened it and saw them would you be THANKFUL to Jehovah or would you say that your glad that person is back but as far as Jehovah he is still a unloving God...

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The Myth About Jehovah as a "GOD of LOVE".

by smiddy3 in

i`ll list a few things and welcome any input, comments you may have .. 1.when adam & eve "sinned" disobeyed him, surely god could have handled it better than to condemn all future generations to disease and death ?.

2.his handling of satan who supposedly seduced eve to disobey god could also have been done a lot differently with a finality to it.. 3.i find little if anything in his dealings with the patriarchs that suggests a loving god protecting them.?.

4.taking on the nation of israel and leading them as his chosen people does not inspire confidence or trust as a god of love.. 5.throughout the hebrew scriptures / old testament his chosen people were constantly at war with other nations which of course would have meant many deaths of the israelite`s during these battles .and the grief that comes with family members in those times.

johnamos

Smiddy, I am not asking you that question in a personal judgmental way...I am simply trying to point out that whatever your view of what LOVE is, you feel Jehovah doesn't possess it, so I want to know how you have come to know what LOVE is on your own.

You are judging Jehovah by actions that you read about that YOU feel he dealt with mankind unlovingly. Where do you get that sense to determine what is loving or unloving?

My point is that it is mindboggling for me to hear anyone think that they have a better understanding of what LOVE is and what it is not, then the ONE that created into mankind to begin with.

Fink,

If your home is being robbed and you shoot the robber, is that unjust/unloving?

If you lived on an island with 1,000 adults (men and women) and 500 children (boys and girls) and if only 3 men out of the 1000 adults were men that would rape, kill, and steal, etc.. would you feel it is okay for them to be there to do those things or would you want them to be removed from the island? If you would want them to be removed, would that be unjust/unloving?

Armageddon is loving and just. Those that will be killed will be those that are like the 3 men on the island and the one that robbed your home.

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The Myth About Jehovah as a "GOD of LOVE".

by smiddy3 in

i`ll list a few things and welcome any input, comments you may have .. 1.when adam & eve "sinned" disobeyed him, surely god could have handled it better than to condemn all future generations to disease and death ?.

2.his handling of satan who supposedly seduced eve to disobey god could also have been done a lot differently with a finality to it.. 3.i find little if anything in his dealings with the patriarchs that suggests a loving god protecting them.?.

4.taking on the nation of israel and leading them as his chosen people does not inspire confidence or trust as a god of love.. 5.throughout the hebrew scriptures / old testament his chosen people were constantly at war with other nations which of course would have meant many deaths of the israelite`s during these battles .and the grief that comes with family members in those times.

johnamos

hiding from challenges...LOL :)

I asked smiddy not you.... you have no answers and no reasoning....just anger and hate. Go deal with that before you attempt to talk about LOVE.

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The Myth About Jehovah as a "GOD of LOVE".

by smiddy3 in

i`ll list a few things and welcome any input, comments you may have .. 1.when adam & eve "sinned" disobeyed him, surely god could have handled it better than to condemn all future generations to disease and death ?.

2.his handling of satan who supposedly seduced eve to disobey god could also have been done a lot differently with a finality to it.. 3.i find little if anything in his dealings with the patriarchs that suggests a loving god protecting them.?.

4.taking on the nation of israel and leading them as his chosen people does not inspire confidence or trust as a god of love.. 5.throughout the hebrew scriptures / old testament his chosen people were constantly at war with other nations which of course would have meant many deaths of the israelite`s during these battles .and the grief that comes with family members in those times.

johnamos

And I told you I am looking to hear smiddy's reply... :)

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US Letter Read Sunday 4/26 at Meeting - No KH Use and No Field Service Indefinitely

by JWTom in

jw
friends

there was a letter read sunday at our meeting that mentioned some parts of us are starting to open back up.

however, regardless of things opening up that no kingdom halls should be used for any meetings of any kind.

also, no door-to-door ministry or any form of in-person ministry is allowed.

johnamos

link?

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The Myth About Jehovah as a "GOD of LOVE".

by smiddy3 in

i`ll list a few things and welcome any input, comments you may have .. 1.when adam & eve "sinned" disobeyed him, surely god could have handled it better than to condemn all future generations to disease and death ?.

2.his handling of satan who supposedly seduced eve to disobey god could also have been done a lot differently with a finality to it.. 3.i find little if anything in his dealings with the patriarchs that suggests a loving god protecting them.?.

4.taking on the nation of israel and leading them as his chosen people does not inspire confidence or trust as a god of love.. 5.throughout the hebrew scriptures / old testament his chosen people were constantly at war with other nations which of course would have meant many deaths of the israelite`s during these battles .and the grief that comes with family members in those times.

johnamos

Would you conclude that they are not God's of Love because of that? If so how is it that you come to that conclusion? Where to you get your understanding of what LOVE is and is not?

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The Myth About Jehovah as a "GOD of LOVE".

by smiddy3 in

i`ll list a few things and welcome any input, comments you may have .. 1.when adam & eve "sinned" disobeyed him, surely god could have handled it better than to condemn all future generations to disease and death ?.

2.his handling of satan who supposedly seduced eve to disobey god could also have been done a lot differently with a finality to it.. 3.i find little if anything in his dealings with the patriarchs that suggests a loving god protecting them.?.

4.taking on the nation of israel and leading them as his chosen people does not inspire confidence or trust as a god of love.. 5.throughout the hebrew scriptures / old testament his chosen people were constantly at war with other nations which of course would have meant many deaths of the israelite`s during these battles .and the grief that comes with family members in those times.

johnamos

In this regard, it is not a matter of what I mean by LOVE and it doesn't matter in your belief in evolution...it only matters what LOVE means to smiddy and if he feels he possesses that LOVE and where does he feel he got it from...the LOVE that he feels he has that Jehovah doesn't.

Also to add to this is where did he get the info for his 6 points he listed?

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The Myth About Jehovah as a "GOD of LOVE".

by smiddy3 in

i`ll list a few things and welcome any input, comments you may have .. 1.when adam & eve "sinned" disobeyed him, surely god could have handled it better than to condemn all future generations to disease and death ?.

2.his handling of satan who supposedly seduced eve to disobey god could also have been done a lot differently with a finality to it.. 3.i find little if anything in his dealings with the patriarchs that suggests a loving god protecting them.?.

4.taking on the nation of israel and leading them as his chosen people does not inspire confidence or trust as a god of love.. 5.throughout the hebrew scriptures / old testament his chosen people were constantly at war with other nations which of course would have meant many deaths of the israelite`s during these battles .and the grief that comes with family members in those times.

johnamos

smiddy,

Do you believe that you possess the quality of LOVE?

If YES, where did you get such quality?

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Memorial Talk: 2 points for JW's to listen out for - and to consider.

by The Fall Guy in

memorial talk from australia - .

https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/vodmemorialtalk2020/pub-mo-tk20r_16_video.

at 23 minutes 00 seconds, the speaker says who are god's sons/christ's brothers.. according to the bible, he's got it wrong:.

johnamos

In regards to who are God's sons and Jesus' brothers, am I wrong in thinking that all JW's believe/refer to Jehovah as their heavenly father...

If Jehovah is Jesus' heavenly father and JW's believe Jehovah is their heavenly father, doesn't that make them all sons (& daughters) of God and brothers (& sisters) of Jesus...

[12-1-57 WT - Joseph the carpenter of Nazareth, who acted as an earthly father to Jesus, did not give him this organization of followers. God his heavenly Father was the one that gave him the organization. Jesus himself acknowledged that fact. He said: “No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him.” (John 6:44) “What my Father has given me is something greater than all other things, and no one can snatch them out of the hand of the Father.” (John 10:29) To his heavenly Father Jesus said in prayer: “I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me.” (John 17:6)]

[7-1-12 WT - “FATHER” was the term that Jesus often used when talking to and about God.* When teaching his followers to pray, Jesus said: “Whenever you pray, say, Father.” (Luke 11:2) But what kind of father is Jehovah? The answer to this question is vitally important. Why? The better we comprehend the kind of father Jehovah is, the closer we will draw to him and the more we will love him.

No one is better qualified to tell us about our heavenly Father than Jesus himself. He enjoyed a close relationship with his Father. Jesus stated: “No one fully knows the Son but the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father but the Son and anyone to whom the Son is willing to reveal him.” (Matthew 11:27) Thus, the best way to know the Father is through the Son.]

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Name 3 Movies You Have Seen At Least 3 Times

by minimus in

jw
friends

goodfellas.

one flew over the cuckoos nest.

casino.

johnamos

Airplane

Top Secret

Caddyshack