Posts by johnamos

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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS

by smiddy3 in

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i think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.

where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...

johnamos

quote - Are you sure you want to use E-Watchman as your source - end quote

In this case YES. I do not agree with all that Robert believes but on that topic I share the same understanding, so I posted the link to his site being that he has already written out what I would have said in support of why I believe the DN was in the original Greek Scriptures, etc.

As far as the WTS using Jehovah vs. Yahweh, that's not relevant to this thread. I am not a defender of the WTS, I was simply replying to smiddy's topic. I happen to believe thou that Jehovah is the more correct way...or should I say Jehoah is as I have pointed out here before.

As far as adding/taking away, is it really adding if you are restoring? The name is found there in the Hebrew Scriptures that are quoted in the Greek Scriptures.

quote - where Jesus used the name Jehovah or equivalent outside of the scriptures he quoted - end quote

Based on the copies on hand...NO, I can not say for certain where. But according to Jesus he said: 'the works he did were in his Father’s name', etc...so I would think that it is not unreasonable that he used it despite there not currently being written record of the usage.

Can you say for certain that the DN was not written at all in the originals?

Do you find it reasonable that when he did quote from the Hebrew Scriptures that he would have said the name?

quote - It's too bad that the God of the Bible is not powerful enough to protect His Word sufficiently...Jehovah is my strength and my defense; he has become my Yeshua. - end quote

There is a reason why an angel came to Mary and told her what she was to name her son. The name she was told to name him was the Hebrew name: Yehoshua.

What is Yehoshua said to mean?

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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS

by smiddy3 in

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i think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.

where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...

johnamos

Matt 4:4,7, 10 to start with and other places where he quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures.

I know the argument that the oldest Greek copies on hand do not have the DN written in those places, but just as you can tell me that I can't say for certain that the originals and those that followed up until the oldest now on hand did have the DN there, I can tell you that you can't say for certain that it was not there.

But I can add reasoning to support that it was there, whereas those that argue it wasn't there cannot support their argument that it was not.

https://e-watchman.com/insert-jehovah-nt/

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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS

by smiddy3 in

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friends

i think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.

where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...

johnamos

I did not ignore or am I missing any point. The topic is to cite a Scripture in the Greek Scriptures where there is a charge for Christian's to witness for Jehovah.

The mere fact that anyone would identify themselves as an Christian is in itself already being a witness for Jesus being that an Christian is known to be an 'follower of Jesus Christ.'

If one were to truly follow him, that would mean to also do works in the name of whom Jesus said was his father and thereby also making that name known.

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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS

by smiddy3 in

jw
friends

i think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.

where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...

johnamos

Quote - Their is not one scripture in the N.T. where Christians, followers of Jesus Christ are instructed to be witnesses of Jehovah - End quote

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+10%3A25&version=CEB

John 10:25 Jesus answered, “I have told you, but you don’t believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me,

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+17&version=CEB

John 17: 3 This is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you sent... 6 “I have revealed your name to the people you gave me from this world. They were yours and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word. 7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. 8 This is because I gave them the words that you gave me, and they received them. They truly understood that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me…25 “Righteous Father, even the world didn’t know you, but I’ve known you, and these believers know that you sent me. 26 I’ve made your name known to them and will continue to make it known so that your love for me will be in them, and I myself will be in them.”

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Imagine if the JW logo were an idol, no wait...

by HiddenPimo in

i’m in germany for work and guess what is next to the bowling alley in karlsruhe?

same thing as a cross.... .

johnamos

quote - It does seem like that they worship Jworg. - end quote

[9-15-95 WT- ‘The Golden Calf’ And the people said: “All that Jehovah has spoken we are willing to do and be obedient.”—Exodus 24:7. Nevertheless, the Israelites soon sinned against God. They were still encamped at the foot of Mount Sinai. Moses had been on the mountain many days, receiving further instruction from God, and the people pressured Moses’ brother, Aaron, to make a god for them. Aaron complied and made a calf out of gold that the people provided. It was claimed that this idol represented Jehovah. (Psalm 106:20) The next day they offered sacrifices and kept “bowing down to it.” Then they had “a good time.”—Exodus 32:1, 4, 6, 8, 17-19.]

[Insight Vol 1 IDOL, IDOLATRY- An idol is an image, a representation of anything, or a symbol that is an object of passionate devotion, whether material or imagined. Generally speaking, idolatry is the veneration, love, worship, or adoration of an idol. It is usually practiced toward a real or supposed higher power, whether such power is believed to have animate existence (as a human, an animal, or an organization) or is inanimate (as a force or lifeless object of nature).]

The Israelite’s desired to have a visible image made with the claim that it represented Jehovah, in which Jehovah viewed as idolatry… people today are guilty of idolatry to an organization (or group of men) that claim to represent Jehovah, by giving it (them) undue devotion, praise, respect, adoration, love, worship, etc…

[4-1-07 WT- ‘Showing Due Respect for the Faithful Slave‘ A fundamental reason for showing proper respect for the faithful slave class is that by so doing, we are in fact showing respect for the Master, Jesus Christ.…Therefore, when we loyally submit to the direction of the faithful slave and its Governing Body, we are submitting to Christ, the slave’s Master….For this reason, all in the congregation view it as their sacred duty to follow and uphold the direction coming from the faithful slave and its Governing Body]

[11-1-90 WT- Further direction comes from “the faithful and discreet slave” class of anointed Christians. These have been helped by Jehovah’s spirit to understand his will progressively. (Matthew 24:45-47; Proverbs 4:18) Thus, when direction comes from Jehovah’s organization, we can wisely submit to it,]

[11-15-09 WT- By word or action, may we never challenge the channel of communication that Jehovah is using today. (Num. 16:1-3) On the contrary, we should cherish our privilege to cooperate with the slave class.]

[2-15-09 WT- Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?]

[4-15-13 WT- How do we demonstrate our support for the arrangements made by Jehovah’s organization? One important way is by always putting our confidence in the ones whom Jehovah and Jesus trusting]

Adoration- the act of paying honor, as to a divine being; worship.

Sacred duty– worthy of religious worship: very holy, highly valued and important: deserving great respect

Devotion– love, loyalty, or enthusiasm for a person, activity, or cause

Loyal– faithful to any leader, party, or cause, or to any person or thing conceived as deserving fidelity

Submit– to defer to another’s judgment, opinion, decision, etc.

Cherish– to hold or treat as dear; feel love for

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News report - Montana Supreme Court Hearing: Silent No More: The Justices (Silent Part 4)

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.wlwt.com/article/silent-no-more-part-4-the-justices/29040023?fbclid=iwar1beverlfko8g4lz5hbsize6dl1b87ukfabevyv07iizgziawzq1gfvevu .

silent no more: the justices.

jehovah’s witnesses argue montana supreme court justices should overturn $35 million verdict—largest in u.s.. mark albert .

johnamos

Quote - If your State does not have mandatory reporting laws, it's YOUR problem because the lawmakers are YOUR representative. Fix the law. - End quote

I agree! Why don't they start there...just make everyplace a mandatory report. That would mean that there isn't any reason to report to an elder/WTS to begin with. The victim themselves would be mandatory to report or is victim told parents/family/friends first, (especially is victim was a minor) then whomever was told first should report.

I never understood why elders are told to begin with. I have not heard a JW ever say that their car was stolen or bike was stolen or house was broken into...so they are going to an elder to tell him. No, they go straight to the police, so why when abused not go straight to police?

As shitty as the WTS is with their policies, why do most here always blame the WTS/elders for not reporting, instead of blaming the ones who reported to the elders to begin with?

If for whatever reason the victim told an elder first, then I agree that that elder should report it (especially if it was mandatory law to do so, which is why all states should all have such laws) but if an elder was not told first, then whoever was/is should be the one/s to do so.

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Montana Supreme Court will hear the $35M case tomorrow

by Corney in

the montana case enters the home stretch.

the state supreme court will hear oral arguments tomorrow, 13 september, at the northern hotel in billings during the state bar of montana’s annual meeting (announcement 1, announcement 2).

an introduction to the argument will begin at 9:30 a.m., with the argument starting at 10 a.m. (4 p.m. utc, 9 a.m. sf time, 12 a.m. ny time, 5 p.m. london time, 2 a.m. saturday sydney time).

johnamos

Quote - In fact there is a law in France called the Samaritan law that you can be prosecuted for this very thing. - End quote

They have that law in Massachusetts too...passed it sometime back in at least May of 1998.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPnK0NCn_MQ

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A book on the pronunciation of God's Name

by Doug Mason in

i am neither recommending nor rejecting the following book.

i am simply saying that i stumbled across it.

i have neither read it nor studied it.. search with: the name of god y.eh.ow.ah which is pronounced as it is written i eh ou ah its story gérard gertoux .

johnamos

Here is a better example of my point and of what I am questioning. Why are the following 3 names (Jehoshaphat, Jotham, Isaiah) that contain the יהוה (YHVH) in them, why do they get written out using the vowels E, O, A, so that they can be read and pronounced, but when the יהוה (YHVH) appears in regards to God’s name, instead of inserting the vowels E, O, A, in the same manner as done for those names, instead ‘LORD’ is inserted. Why not either write out the יהוה (YHVH) as Yehoah//Jehoah or write out those names as:

LORDshaphat

YHVshaphat

LORDtham

YVtham

IsaLORD

IsaYH

The following shows what letters from God's name make up those names and what vowels are used:

YHVH יהוה

Yehoshaphat YHV יהו

Yotham YV יוֹ

Yshayah YH יה

Yehoah YHVH יהוה

Joel 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

https://biblehub.com/joel/3-2.htm

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3092.htm

Joel 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.

https://biblehub.com/joel/3-11.htm

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3068.htm

Isaiah 1:1 The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/1-1.htm

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3147.htm

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3470.htm

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/1-11.htm

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3068.htm

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A book on the pronunciation of God's Name

by Doug Mason in

i am neither recommending nor rejecting the following book.

i am simply saying that i stumbled across it.

i have neither read it nor studied it.. search with: the name of god y.eh.ow.ah which is pronounced as it is written i eh ou ah its story gérard gertoux .

johnamos

quote - It has already been discussed on this forum that copies of the Septuagint...the fact that a Greek version of the name - end quote

This is not a reply in regards to your post, but what I quoted you saying stood out in my mind to check the following.

This Greek word translates to Jesus in English:

Ιησοῦς

That Greek word translates to this Hebrew word:

ישו

That Hebrew word translates to Jesus in English.

I got that Greek word from the Septuagint where it has the name Joshua. Joshua is the shorten form of Jehoshua.

JEsus

JOshua

JEhOshua

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A book on the pronunciation of God's Name

by Doug Mason in

i am neither recommending nor rejecting the following book.

i am simply saying that i stumbled across it.

i have neither read it nor studied it.. search with: the name of god y.eh.ow.ah which is pronounced as it is written i eh ou ah its story gérard gertoux .

johnamos

I know when I go back and read my post that I don't find that I explain clearly what I am trying to say, but I will try again.

I am saying that Hebrew names that contain the SAME letters as the 4 for God's name use E O and A and spell out Jeho/Yeho and Jah/Yah/IAH which are said to be part of God's name. Then along with the additional letters they are compound with other words with meanings such as:

[friend, shall live, will prepare, knew, contributed, judged, bestowed, high]

Example, look at the following link and you can read through them all but first scroll almost to bottom to Joram (Jehoram/Yehoram) and read what's there and then look two above that at Jonathan and notice the clear break down of (יהו, Yeho) and (נתן, natan)

http://hebrewname.org/alphabetical/J

That break down of Yeho is showing the first 3 of the 4 letters that represent God's name, the YHV and it is spelled to read YEHO. I don't see it showing (יהו, Yahw) as in YAHWEH, nor does it show (יהו, LORD) or (יהו, GOD)

It shows that יהו is YEHO and with the second ה (H - 4th letter) added it would be AH as in the names that have the ה at the end and are spelled YAH/IAH

YEHOah - YehoAH

It is nonsense to think that the pronunciation for the YHVH of God's name is unknown being that all the Hebrew names that contain those letters are spelled and pronounced. Those names were/are peoples names and regardless of that fact that there became a time when the name of God would not be said aloud or written out with vowel points, the people who had/have those names with the יהוה in them would have kept writing and pronouncing their own name. Likewise, people who knew those with such names would have said them.