Posts by johnamos

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The Three Magi and their modern antitype ;)

by processor in

http://www.svhelden.info/witchtower/2012/01/the-three-magi-and-their-modern-antitype/.

the three magi and their modern antitypeeveryone knows the story of the three magi who travelled a long way to pay homage to baby jesus two thousand years ago.

the same feature unfulfilled prophecies characterizes the anointed christians from brooklyn as the antitypical astrologers.

johnamos

Nowhere in the Bible will you find that there were “THERE” astrologers/wise men/ magi sent.

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"Peace and Security"!!!! JW.ORGs best and last chance for fulfilment.

by scotoma in

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friends

in the old revelation book there was a section on the cry "peace and security.. "14 in recent years, politicians have used the phrase peace and security to describe various.

human schemes.

or was paul referring only to a specific event of such dramatic proportions.

johnamos

The saying of “peace and security” is not in regards to a peace deal between Israel and Palestine. It is in regards to Rev 11:10.

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What are the best questions?

by MissyM in

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what would you say are the best questions to ask a jw which they will not be able to answer and may make them question their beliefs?.

what (if you are a former jw) made you question the "truth"?.

The 7-15-13 WT (not shown here) states in the box on page 24 that there is no evil slave, that it is just a warning from Jesus to the faithful slave not to become so, basically going on to say that it is only a hypothetical. My question is…are the foolish virgins and the sluggish slave, who hid the Master’s talent also hypothetical??? i.e.….

[3-1-04 WT WHEN DOES JESUS COME?

It would not be reasonable to say, for example, that the rewarding of the faithful slave, the judgment of the foolish virgins, and the judgment of the sluggish slave, who hid the Master’s talent, will take place when Jesus “comes” at the great tribulation. That would imply that many of the anointed will be found unfaithful at that time and will thus have to be replaced.]

Also, the WTS when addressing the evil slave, calling it a hypothetical, is doing so from Matthew’s account, but my question is… in reading this same account from Luke, who is the slave that understood the will of his master but did not get ready or do in line and who is the one that did not understand??? Or are they also hypothetical???

Luke 12: 41 Then Peter said: “Lord, are you saying this illustration to us or also to all?” 42 And the Lord said: “Who really is the faithful steward, the discreet one, whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time? 43 Happy is that slave, if his master on arriving finds him doing so! 44 I tell YOU truthfully, He will appoint him over all his belongings. 45 But if ever that slave should say in his heart, ‘My master delays coming,’ and should start to beat the menservants and the maidservants, and to eat and drink and get drunk, 46 the master of that slave will come on a day that he is not expecting [him] and in an hour that he does not know, and he will punish him with the greatest severity and assign him a part with the unfaithful ones. 47 Then that slave that understood the will of his master but did not get ready or do in line with his will will be beaten with many strokes. 48 But the one that did not understand and so did things deserving of strokes will be beaten with few.

Since I am not aware at this time rather you say if “the foolish virgins” are hypothetical or not, then I just have a few secondary questions regarding “the foolish virgins” if in fact they are not hypothetical.

According to paragraph 16 on page 7 in the July 15, 2013 WT (not shown here), the bridegroom (Jesus) in the parable found at Matthew 25:1-12, has not arrived yet and does not do so until his future arrival at Matt 24:30. That being said, it becomes obvious that the ready (discreet) virgins have not yet entered into the marriage feast yet and the door is therefore not shut. My question is, according to the parable, where are the foolish virgins in proximity to the discreet virgins prior to the bridegroom’s arrival??? Who make up the discreet virgins presently??? Who make up the foolish virgins presently???

Matthew 25:1 “Then the kingdom of the heavens will become like ten virgins that took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish, and five were discreet. 3 For the foolish took their lamps but took no oil with them, 4 whereas the discreet took oil in their receptacles with their lamps. 5 While the bridegroom was delaying, they all nodded and went to sleep. 6 Right in the middle of the night there arose a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Be on YOUR way out to meet him.’ 7 Then all those virgins rose and put their lamps in order. 8 The foolish said to the discreet, ‘Give us some of YOUR oil, because our lamps are about to go out.’ 9 The discreet answered with the words, ‘Perhaps there may not be quite enough for us and YOU. Be on YOUR way, instead, to those who sell it and buy for yourselves.’ 10 While they were going off to buy, the bridegroom arrived, and the virgins that were ready went in with him to the marriage feast; and the door was shut. 11 Afterwards the rest of the virgins also came, saying, ‘Sir, sir, open to us!’ 12 In answer he said, ‘I tell YOU the truth, I do not know YOU.’

Endnote in regards to the 3-1-04 WT excerpt.

That footnote is stating that Jesus’ arrival pertaining to the rewarding of the faithful slave, the judgment of the foolish virgins and the sluggish slave, who hid the Master’s talent, occurred back in 1918, but now in the 7-15-13 WT, the new adjusted understanding is that the rewarding of the faithful slave, the judgment of the foolish virgins and the sluggish slave, who hid the Master’s talent was not back in 1918 but occurs at Jesus’ future coming at Matthew 24:30. My question is…since they (WTS) stated the implications of what it would mean if those arrivals where at Jesus’ future arrival, but now state that those arrivals are indeed at Jesus' future arrival, then what does that mean for what they say that would imply…to be more direct, does the same still apply???

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What are the best questions?

by MissyM in

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friends

what would you say are the best questions to ask a jw which they will not be able to answer and may make them question their beliefs?.

what (if you are a former jw) made you question the "truth"?.

johnamos

Jeremiah 25: 11 And all this land must become a devastated place, an object of astonishment, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years.”’

12 “‘And it must occur that when seventy years have been fulfilled I shall call to account against the king of Babylon and against that nation,’ is the utterance of Jehovah,

What nations had to serve Babylon 70 years and how did the nations serve Babylon???

When did Jehovah say that he was going to call to account Babylon???

What year did Jehovah call to account Babylon???

In the context of the two verses above, when did the 70 years start and end???

In the context of the two verses above, what did the 70 years represent???

Isaiah Prophecy 1 p. 253

Isaiah goes on to prophesy: “It must occur in that day that Tyre must be forgotten seventy years, the same as the days of one king.” (Isaiah 23:15a) Following the destruction of the mainland city by the Babylonians, the island-city of Tyre will “be forgotten.” True to the prophecy, for the duration of “one king”—the Babylonian Empire—the island-city of Tyre will not be an important financial power. Jehovah, through Jeremiah, includes Tyre among the nations that will be singled out to drink the wine of His rage. He says: “These nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years.” (Jeremiah 25:8-17, 22, 27) True, the island-city of Tyre is not subject to Babylon for a full 70 years, since the Babylonian Empire falls in 539 B.C.E. Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination—when the Babylonian royal dynasty boasts of having lifted its throne even above “the stars of God.” (Isaiah 14:13) Different nations come under that domination at different times. But at the end of 70 years, that domination will crumble.

In the context of this WTS excerpt, what time frame are they referring to when saying; “Babylonia’s greatest domination”…to be more direct, what year did that time start and what year did it end???

Follow up to that question…what caused it to start when it did and what caused it to end when it did???

DP ch7 p.108 “The Great Timekeeper, Jehovah, had numbered the days of Babylon’s reign as a world power, and the end was closer than anyone at Belshazzar’s banquet thought. In fact, time had run out—not only for Belshazzar but also for his father, Nabonidus.”

9-15-98 WT “The Medes and the Persians easily took the city, and Belshazzar did not live through the night. With his death, and the apparent surrender of Nabonidus to Cyrus, the Neo-Babylonian Empire came to an end.”

Instight p.425 Particularly was this domination manifest during the seventh and sixth centuries B.C.E. when Nabopolassar, a native of Chaldea, and his successors, Nebuchadnezzar II, Evil-merodach (Awil-Marduk), Neriglissar, Labashi-Marduk, Nabonidus, and Belshazzar, ruled the Third World Power, Babylon. That dynasty came to its end when “Belshazzar the Chaldean king was killed.

How many years did Babylon reign as the third world power…to be more direct, what year did they become the 3 rd world power and what year did that end for them???

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What are the best questions?

by MissyM in

jw
friends

what would you say are the best questions to ask a jw which they will not be able to answer and may make them question their beliefs?.

what (if you are a former jw) made you question the "truth"?.

johnamos

Revelation 8:7 And the first one blew his trumpet.

Revelation 8:8 And the second angel blew his trumpet

Revelation 8:10 And the third angel blew his trumpet

Revelation 8:12 And the fourth angel blew his trumpet

Revelation 8:13 And I saw, and I heard an eagle flying in midheaven say with a loud voice: “Woe, woe, woe to those dwelling on the earth because of the rest of the trumpet blasts of the three angels who are about to blow their trumpets!”

Revelation 9:1 And the fifth angel blew his trumpet.

Revelation 9:12 The one woe is past. Look! Two more woes are coming after these things.

Revelation 9:13 And the sixth angel blew his trumpet.

Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past. Look! The third woe is coming quickly.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel blew his trumpet.

In regards to Revelation 8:13, would it be correct to conclude that by that time frame, trumpets 1- 4 had already blown and that the 3 woes mentioned were in reference to the 3 remaining trumpets that were yet to blow, namely trumpets 5, 6, & 7???

In regards to Revelation 9:12, would it be correct to conclude that by that time frame, the 1 st woe that had past was in reference to the 5 th trumpet, and that the 2 woes that were still yet to come were in reference trumpets 6 &7???

In regards to Revelation 11:14, would it be correct to conclude that by that time frame, the 2 nd woe that had past was in reference to the 6 th trumpet and that the 3 rd woe that was still yet to come (“coming quickly”) was referring to trumpet 7???

Would it be correct to conclude that according to what is written in the bible, the 7 trumpets are blown in chronological order???

In regards to any trumpets that are believed to have already had blown (according to the WTS), can you tell me the year that corresponds to each said trumpet haven blown???

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in regards to AAWA

by johnamos in

oh how i wish i could just write out something that would cause you all to know and understand that what i say is true.

or i wish i could tell yall that i am going to do something like cause an earthquake (with jehovahs spirit backing me) at a certain place and time, then after i posted such info then it occurred just as i said...then maybe you would listen and believe what i say.. .

and even more so, your lack of knowledge and belief in jehovah and in his word the bible.

johnamos

It’s amazing what ones will take away from what they read…I didn’t say that was my first post…I asked if they saw my first post. I posted about 607-587.

And really no one should be replying except those that have a say so in AAWA. My point is not that I don’t think they should speak up and expose the falsehoods…I am just saying that it is in the way you go about doing it, is what matters.

I want the facts to come out as much as anybody…but if you speak in a certain way and look in a certain way and act in a certain way, you will be sure to turn away many before you can even get your message heard.

If you want to wake up the JW’s and expose the GB’s lies, then the manner that it is to be done is critical.

Many may know who Robert King is…I will go on record to say that I agree with much that he says…but even he has gone about it wrong and got to big on himself.

And who are you and the ones that are still at the halls that say you can’t leave because of friends and family? If the people that you claim to stay in for, will stop talking to you if you leave, speak up, etc… then why would you want that same person in your life any way. But now I am off topic…My point is to ask a series of questions to the GB while supplying excerpts by them at the same time when doing so…and all the focus should be is on getting them to answer the questions. Their own answers will be the end of them…………

Anyway…I see by the foolish comments that I am wasting my time……

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in regards to AAWA

by johnamos in

oh how i wish i could just write out something that would cause you all to know and understand that what i say is true.

or i wish i could tell yall that i am going to do something like cause an earthquake (with jehovahs spirit backing me) at a certain place and time, then after i posted such info then it occurred just as i said...then maybe you would listen and believe what i say.. .

and even more so, your lack of knowledge and belief in jehovah and in his word the bible.

johnamos

really SW that is your reply to me??? really???

do you not understand that i am saying that those books apply to Jehovah's people, so yes i know they are the "stupid prophets"!!! do you not think that i know of the falsehoods that the GB teach??? but what has Jehovah said in regards to?

"‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: "‘For the reason that YOU men have spoken untruth and YOU have visioned a lie, therefore here I am against YOU,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah." And my hand has come to be against the prophets that are visioning untruth and that are divining a lie. In the intimate group of my people they will not continue on, and in the register of the house of Israel they will not be written, and to the soil of Israel they will not come; and YOU people will have to know that I am the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, for the reason, yes, for the reason that they have led my people astray, saying, "There is peace!" when there is no peace, and there is one that is building a partition wall, but in vain there are those plastering it with whitewash.’

"Say to those plastering with whitewash that it will fall. A flooding downpour will certainly occur, and YOU, O hailstones, will fall, and a blast of windstorms itself will cause a splitting. 12 And, look! the wall must fall. Will it not be said to YOU men, ‘Where is the coating with which YOU did the plastering?’ "Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘I will also cause a blast of windstorms to burst forth in my rage, and in my anger there will occur a flooding downpour, and in rage there will be hailstones for an extermination. And I will tear down the wall that YOU men have plastered with whitewash and bring it into contact with the earth, and its foundation must be exposed. And she will certainly fall, and YOU must come to an end in the midst of her; and YOU will have to know that I am Jehovah

do you know what my first post was here on this board???

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in regards to AAWA

by johnamos in

oh how i wish i could just write out something that would cause you all to know and understand that what i say is true.

or i wish i could tell yall that i am going to do something like cause an earthquake (with jehovahs spirit backing me) at a certain place and time, then after i posted such info then it occurred just as i said...then maybe you would listen and believe what i say.. .

and even more so, your lack of knowledge and belief in jehovah and in his word the bible.

johnamos

Ok…fine, let’s through the bible out…there it’s gone. Are you watching the news? Are you aware of what is taking place? Do you know that WW3 is looming and that it is all really staged in order to make way for the UN to come in and take control finally as the one world government?

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in regards to AAWA

by johnamos in

oh how i wish i could just write out something that would cause you all to know and understand that what i say is true.

or i wish i could tell yall that i am going to do something like cause an earthquake (with jehovahs spirit backing me) at a certain place and time, then after i posted such info then it occurred just as i said...then maybe you would listen and believe what i say.. .

and even more so, your lack of knowledge and belief in jehovah and in his word the bible.

johnamos

quote- Are you aware that you come over as a bit..............er................well...............'Harold Camping' or 'watchtower(R) 1975ish'?- end quote

what did i say that came over as such? and have you read and do you understand the books and chapters i cited?

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in regards to AAWA

by johnamos in

oh how i wish i could just write out something that would cause you all to know and understand that what i say is true.

or i wish i could tell yall that i am going to do something like cause an earthquake (with jehovahs spirit backing me) at a certain place and time, then after i posted such info then it occurred just as i said...then maybe you would listen and believe what i say.. .

and even more so, your lack of knowledge and belief in jehovah and in his word the bible.

johnamos

Oh how I wish I could just write out something that would cause you all to know and understand that what I say is true. Or I wish I could tell y’all that I am going to do something like cause an earthquake (with Jehovah’s spirit backing me) at a certain place and time, then after I posted such info then it occurred just as I said…then maybe you would listen and believe what I say.

I am not against what you are trying to do; it is just the way you are going about it. And even more so, your lack of knowledge and belief in Jehovah and in his word the bible.

Yes, the MANY things you say against the WTS/GB are correct, but you fell to understand that this is all foretold and allowed to happen by Jehovah.

Have you read and do you understand:

Ezekiel 13

Joel 1-3

2 Thessalonians 2

Isaiah 29

Ezekiel 38 &39