i am seriously considering finding out what is involved in putting together a lawsuit against the wts.
one that all xjw's in the us can join in.. has the wts not violated our civil rights, taken away our right to choose, without bias, how to live our lives?
were not our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness violated?
Back to the original subject...Did anyone see the piece this morning on Good Morning America about a woman who confessed an affair to her pastor who subsequently told her husband causing a 14 yr marriage to end in divorce. The woman was awarded $65,000. Does this sound like anything that has happened before with the JW's? This is great! Maybe we can get the transcript and the info surrounding this case.
TimB
i am seriously considering finding out what is involved in putting together a lawsuit against the wts.
one that all xjw's in the us can join in.. has the wts not violated our civil rights, taken away our right to choose, without bias, how to live our lives?
were not our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness violated?
Great posts Joel Bear & Bridgette,
The Society has gone out of their way to try to separate the activities of the religion and the corporation but if some could set the wheels in motion with a civil suit we could actually create change.
Just look at the power of an even moderatly organized group who believes in helping others. The recent UN scandal and subsequent change by the WTS is a good example.
Also, the ACLU has helped the Society in the past when it came to constitutional freedoms and they could possibly be in the best position to fight for the personal freedoms of the family members who didn't have a choice.
TimB
i am seriously considering finding out what is involved in putting together a lawsuit against the wts.
one that all xjw's in the us can join in.. has the wts not violated our civil rights, taken away our right to choose, without bias, how to live our lives?
were not our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness violated?
I think there are some that are scared to start a lawsuit because of the fear of failure. Let me just say that if a burglar can sue a homeowner for an injury recieved by slipping and falling in the victims house then I think a lawsuit could be started against the WTS on a number of grounds.
You see, they may never be guilty of violating any specific laws but let me tell you, lawsuits do have an affect on them. Although the Jimmy Swaggart book selling/tax violation lawsuit did not address them specifically we did see some changes made because of it.
If we give up before we get started then we are guaranteed to lose. Is it worth fighting for? Do you think that anyone will get hurt or die as a result of the Society's rules any time soon? I do. As far as I am concerned, if it increases the personal freedoms of others or saves just one life, then it is worth fighting for.
If someone is fighting the Society right now or is contemplating it, I say we should start a Legal fund so that people could help out with the expenses and increase the chances of winning.
Just some more of my thoughts.
TimB
i am seriously considering finding out what is involved in putting together a lawsuit against the wts.
one that all xjw's in the us can join in.. has the wts not violated our civil rights, taken away our right to choose, without bias, how to live our lives?
were not our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness violated?
Actually I feel that the political and religious climate is so much different than it has been in the past. There are a lot of people who are wanting some government protection from the deceptive practices of cults.
There are a few angles where I feel the WS could be vulnerable. (I have no legal experience or expertise. This is merely my opinions.)
One Example) Children like myself did not really have a choice about what religion they wanted to be. I remember when I was growing up in the late 70's and early 80's it didn't matter if you got babtised or not. If you were caught in wrongdoing or went to a different religion, you lost your family. Now doesn't that sound like a human rights violation? It's true that the parents and other family members make a personal decision to shun, but then they don't REALLY have a choice. This invasion and division of the family ties is something that makes normal people cringe and get angry. Even if this is a fight that couldn't be won, the publicity could possibly help many others see the light before it's too late.
Another possible angle) I know this has been tested quite a while back but it did have limited sucess. The society has throughout the years used subversive language in regards to the political powers. They have toned it down lately but it still exists. In this time of patriotic fervor it could be a hot topic for the courts.
What do you think?
TimB
theres little else in life that is more ludicrous than a pompous jw.. correction.
there is little else in life that is more ludicrous than a pompous male jw.
especially one of the elder variety, one of those guys what tell people what to do.. think about it, it just isnt natural for a man to be the head of the house .
Behind every great man there is a great wife..........
Kicking him in the ASS!
I know I would be half the man I am today if it weren't for the whacks.....I mean prodding I get from my loving wife. If you've ever been married you know the power of a properly timed SIGH. The really smart ones let you think that you're in control. That way they don't have to take responsibility for "your" decisions.
If looks could kill.....What am I saying? They do all the time. A good looking woman can get a man to do anything she wants. Even kill. Who really is in control? Who really is the head? Who is in control when it comes to sex? And we all know that sex is what makes the world go round. (At least it makes the earth move)
TimB
i picked up this essay on another site and wanted to share it with y'all.
not sure of the original writer, so i'll credit www.thebigshow.com for posting it.. ---.
i'm a bad american.
Ok,....My turn!
I can't possibly comment on everything but I did want to comment on the racist comments.
I honestly believe that a lot of the people who perpetuate racism in this world are the ones complaining about it. I believe that if people would talk about the changes in discrimination and racism in a positive way it would have a more positive effect. When people complain daily about the lack of opportunity for minorities or that "African Americans" need reparations for the slavery 200 yrs ago they cause a reaction from those who are struggling themselves even thought they are not minorities.
BTW: Before anyone talks about the how bad slavery was here in the US and how we somehow are responsible for what our forefathers did, I think we need to remember that there is still slavery right in Africa. Some of the slaves that were transported from Africa to the Colonies were actually purchased from African Tribal Leaders. Imagine that.....One human hurting another for financial gain. Like that's never happened before. We can learn from the past but we can't change it or pay for it.
I dare you to call me a racist. But before you do....be prepared to define racist. Ok?
Tim B
we all know the jw view of abortion before leaving but what about now?
how have your views changed?
i used to secretly cheer when i heard that women had gained more rights concerning abortions.
Skimmer,
Keep in mind that not everyone has the same definition of when life begins. It is possible that you don't have the absolute answer.
TimB
we all know the jw view of abortion before leaving but what about now?
how have your views changed?
i used to secretly cheer when i heard that women had gained more rights concerning abortions.
Skimmer,
I seriously doubt that 99% of abortions are planned birth control. Many are accidents. Many learn their lessons after having to go through the pain and emotional turmoil of actually having an abortion. I have accompanied a friend to a clinic (for the record No it was not a result of anything I did) and I did not see anyone there who looked like they wanted to come back. Most were very unhappy and some had tears. This is not an easy decision for women or the men who help them. I would venture to say that if you talked to these women you would see that they feel they are doing the responsible thing for themselves and the fetus.
I happen to be a man who wants sex without having to worry about the consequences. I want sex without responsibility. I want sex without the potential need of making a commitment.
The things you mentioned although jokingly reflect a shallow view about what a woman or couple goes through when making the decision to abort.
TimB
we all know the jw view of abortion before leaving but what about now?
how have your views changed?
i used to secretly cheer when i heard that women had gained more rights concerning abortions.
Skimmer,
What is the exact point of conception? Is it when the first cell splits? Is it when the sperm enters the egg? Is it when the sperm has just outrun all the rest and is about to enter the egg? Is it when a couple has sex without protection making pregnancy inevitable?
What is the value of that life at that point?
What is the purpose of sex?
How can your view of these questions affect your views on abortion?
TimB
we all know the jw view of abortion before leaving but what about now?
how have your views changed?
i used to secretly cheer when i heard that women had gained more rights concerning abortions.
Mega,
I feel that it is impossible for me to say how I would decide in a hypthetical situation since one of the factors would be my emotions at that time.
TimB
