Posts by Rattigan350

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How is the org really run? What goes on behind the scenes?

by Magnum in

how is the org really run?

what goes on behind the scenes?.

i just read an older post on this site that was recently bumped (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/6600/1/don-adams-biography) the post mentioned the adams brothers don, karl, & joel and how influential they are/were at headquarters.

Rattigan350

The GB are merely figureheads. When it was announced that magazine printing will be transferred from Wallkill to Canada, it was said that the GB approved that. What does the GB know or care about where magazines are printed? When I asked Witnesses that they said that the GB was the FDS and the printery was part of the master's belonging so they were appointed over it. But the fact is that the factory overseers make the decisions and then the president of the WTBTS approves it and the GB rubber stamps it.

As to who runs the org: The captalization on the belief that it matters to God what people do and they must do things 'just so' makes it easy for people to come along and then to assume the position of the ones capitalizing. 'Hey there are gullible people out there who will do anything to save themselves, to see their dead loved ones, etc.' People are so tied to the adherance to a deity, they will do anything for that.

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Your final WTF? Moment!

by restrangled in

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it was a long time coming for me.....when i read about the extened generations, after being raised on1914 being the be all end all, and millions would never die....that was the end.

i was part of the 1975 fiasco, the 6 month only truth book studies, suffered through a disifellowshipping and their version of a rewind.

i finally am free and hope others can eventually look in instead of inside looking out!

Rattigan350

Another moment for me was when the COs got the mandate to not write their own outlines for their talks but started using recycled assembly talks.

The meetings became ultra tedious. What was once a special week now became recycled drab and guilting material. If COs can't be original, then what hope can any of us. What's the point of this at all. It is just an indoctrination session from the GB.

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Your final WTF? Moment!

by restrangled in

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it was a long time coming for me.....when i read about the extened generations, after being raised on1914 being the be all end all, and millions would never die....that was the end.

i was part of the 1975 fiasco, the 6 month only truth book studies, suffered through a disifellowshipping and their version of a rewind.

i finally am free and hope others can eventually look in instead of inside looking out!

Rattigan350

My moments were when people rely on the WT for everything that they do, think and believe.

The 2007 KM about study only their materials, then the 4/2010 KM about audio files. It is not about helping people but about dependance on the GB.

Then I put together that they do everything for money - for example the constant deficits for the Circuit assemblies, the guilting of the people and what amounts to francise fees because of the donations of the WWW. Everything is designed to get people to the meetings, to be dependant on the arrangement, and then to donate.

I became inactive when I concluded that field service is a complete waste of time. Do a little door to door, stop at break, then do a few return visits. What a waste of time and resources.

The constant use of Bible characters as illustrations to where I got tired of the Bible.

Then the 5/15/2012 W where it said that if one gets married to an unbeliever that one is disobedient to Jehovah. What does it mean to marry only in the Lord, to them? The person would have to study either the Truth book, or Live Forever, or Knowledge or Bible Teach books. All books written by the Watchtower Society. And then get baptized at Watchtower arranged assemblies, and then go to their meetings. That spells cult.

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What JW catch phrase DRIVES YOU NUTS!!!!

by megaflower in

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"we should be mindful".

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Rattigan350

One thing that annoyed me at the meetings was when a child commented and messed up and then people laughed.

Wow, so much for the child's feelings...

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Atlanta Int Convention 2014:The Big Party. Does this look like WT believes Armageddon is coming "soon"?

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=potrr2qxhue.

.. if armageddon is "imminent", why is wt focused on sight-seeing, entertainment, travel, etc.

instead of preaching and saving people??.

Rattigan350

I was in Atlanta yesterday and the road that runs along south of the Georgia Dome is closed and the lots on both sides are under construction. Martin Luther King Jr Blvd is closed at the Georgia Dome. I wonder if it will be done in time but it will cause problems with the many conventions because there won't be busses or traffic going through there to drop people off.

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No more free water for Brooklyn Assemby Hall since 2008

by Rattigan350 in

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ny-court-of-appeals/1181065.html.

new york city gives religious buildings water exemptions if the building is entirely used for religious purposes and if there is a caretaker's apartment, there can be only one.

that assembly hall had 2. the water dept denied their application for exemption on that basis.

Rattigan350

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ny-court-of-appeals/1181065.html

New York City gives religious buildings water exemptions if the building is entirely used for religious purposes and if there is a caretaker's apartment, there can be only one. That Assembly Hall had 2. The Water Dept denied their application for exemption on that basis. The Assembly Hall appealed the decision to the New York Highest court and they lost and were charged costs of the appeal.

Department of Environmental Protection Department of Environmental Protection

On June 15, 2005, the Executive Director denied the Church's appeal and confirmed DEP's determination. He opined that in order for an organization to qualify for an exemption,

“the premises must be used exclusively for a qualifying purpose, or if the premises is not used exclusively for a qualifying purpose, the non-qualifying portion must be separately metered. For this premises, neither condition is met as the meter records consumption on both the part that may qualify (the assembly hall) and the non-qualifying portion (the additional caretaker apartment and two guest rooms). A single room or a small apartment for a caretaker is considered incidental; accommodations for an additional caretaker and two additional guests are not a qualifying exempt use.”

He further advised the Church that it could pursue “the option of separately metering the water service to the non-exempt portion,” in which event “an exemption [might] then be applied for on the qualifying portion of the premises, and if granted, [would] be applied on a prospective basis only.”

- See more at: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ny-court-of-appeals/1181065.html#sthash.wM1UPcS7.dpuf

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5 Reasons Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT happy in their Marriages jw.org

by Watchtower-Free in

found this on youtube.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wknttmfvhfi.

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Where was that 17 years ago? Me except for the married young part.

Was her top chosen on purpose?

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What is your biggest gripe with the WT and it's teachings?

by FL_Panthers in

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as the title says, please list what you find annoying with the organization..

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The belief and teaching that seeking the kingdom = Meetings and Field service and seeking first the kingdom = more Meetings and more Field service

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Has The WTS Reached Its Kobayashi Maru Moment?

by metatron in

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/kobayashi_maru.

they observe decline.

they cut back most everywhere.

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In Star Trek, the Kobayashi Maru is the no-win scenario. The test changes depending on the decisions of the captain to make it more difficult.

But I look at the no-win scenario as always an either or choice. One can choose A or choose B but not have both A&B.

That was what Sunday's Watchtower 6/8 taught. It told of a ballerina who chose instead of the career to pioneer. They were teaching that if they choose pioneering that they would be happy, rather than performing. Either Or. But not both. But that is not Christianity. Full time service, meetings, etc.

I look at better examples such as Lou Whitaker, Chet Lemon who played for the Detroit Tiger and were Witnesses. They were not full time pioneers, but their example was that they were not troublemaker and stayed out of badness. That is more Christian than meetings and FS. They saved their money and retired when they wanted. The same with Larry Graham. They used their talents and did not just become of the many with no identity.

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Imitate the Faith of Moses Study Article

by Rattigan350 in

the study article imitate the faith of moses study article, is the same old blah that they always have.

moses, a guy who lived 4000 years ago, did.

something when he was 40 years old when he was in egypt and when he was in the wilderness at the burning bush, an angel communicated with him.. .

Rattigan350

The study article Imitate the Faith of Moses Study Article, is the same old blah that they always have. Moses, a guy who lived 4000 years ago, did

something when he was 40 years old when he was in Egypt and when he was in the wilderness at the burning bush, an angel communicated with him.

Our lives are not an event in 40 years, it is day to day.

Then there was a quote from a ballerina

“I realized that the world had given me success and the adoration of
fans in exchange for my wholehearted worship of Jehovah,” she says. “I prayed
fervently to him. Then I quit my dancing career.” How does she feel about her decision?
“I don’t miss my old life. Today, I am 100 percent happy. I pioneer with
my husband. We’re not famous, and we have very little materially. But we have
Jehovah, Bible students, and spiritual goals. I don’t have any regrets.”

Wow, it is always an either or situation. Worship of Jehovah or your dreams, you can't do both. That is because worship

as they explain is constant meetings and FS and assemblies and study, etc. Then she quit the career. They have very little materially

so I guess they can't contribute to the new arrangement. She can't even afford Obamacare. They must have searched long and hard to find this example.

Moses was a unique individual at a unique time and he had real backing for what he was to do, don't compare us to him.

Then the typical fantasy of the kid dreaming of talking to Moses in the resurrection. Nothing real.