Those of you who served as elders, did your wife or other family members / friends find your secret Shepherd the Flock book? How did they react? How did you react?
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18Shepherd the Flock Book - Did Your Wife or Other Family Member Find It?
by jw07 inthose of you who served as elders, did your wife or other family members / friends find your secret shepherd the flock book?
how did they react?
how did you react?.
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JW 2014 YouTube Documentary
by kneehighmiah ini had an idea.
i was reading about the success of the kony 2012 video and was wondering if anyone would be interested in making a documentary to coincide with the international conventions and the 100 year anniversary of gods kingdom.
the video would be less than 30 minutes long.
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jw07
@kneehighmiah -
I'm not seeing any email address, but, you can contact them from the Truth be Told website
http://www.hereliesthetruth.com/share-your-story
Here's a contact form for the agency that made it.
http://www.smithkraft.com/contact/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/smithkraft
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JW 2014 YouTube Documentary
by kneehighmiah ini had an idea.
i was reading about the success of the kony 2012 video and was wondering if anyone would be interested in making a documentary to coincide with the international conventions and the 100 year anniversary of gods kingdom.
the video would be less than 30 minutes long.
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jw07
@kneehighmiah - For mainstream success the documentary will have to highlight VERIFIED FACTS about the Watchtower.
Possible topics are
Women's rights
The Watchtower's misogynistic policies
Barring women from leadership roles, relegating them to be subservient, gender discrimination such as the preface found in the Shepherd the Flock book that wives should not see that publication.
Relegating them to head-dress when they are supposed to pray etc.
Tying the fact that some oppressive nations and regions still punish and force women to wear head dress, and treat them as ‘lesser’ in these modern times.Violation of Human Rights
You do not have the human right of freedom to choose your religion.
Either you are in, or you are shunned.
Cite examples like the woman in Sudan about to be KILLED for 'apostasy', and that she has had the right to choose religion or lack there of taken from her.
Information Control and Suppression
A FLURRY of quotes from publications about use of the internet, which serve to make sure that JWs don't research the truth.The organization being like North Korea with revisionist history.
The sheer volume of books the average JW had drilled into their sculls in the near past. (Maybe video clips from XJs)
Always citing THEIR OWN material as the tool to do your OWN research from. That could be prefaced and highlighted by asking questions like "Would you trust working for a large corporation if they forced you to only find out things about that organization from material they handed you?”
REVISING information – quote damaging statements which were changed in different publications without acknowledgement. Contrast that kind of behavior to the Soviet regime and people like Stalin editing persons who fell of favor out of their history. Bring up Ray Franz too!
Expenditure by the corporation is NOT disclosed to the public. Where are the funds going? Are they being used towards legal endeavors?
Highlight that letters are NOT read in entirety to everyone. For instance with the new tithing arrangement, the congregations only heard 1 page.
Quotes in elder’s letters about the purging of correspondence.IF it’s verifiable beyond a doubt the rumored database of pedophiles, and local offenders do actually exist, they should be mentioned.
Highlight the push towards digital forms of their publications and how easily this can be updated across platforms, for instance with automatic app updates.Highlight inserted phrases in the bible such as governing body.
Highlight revisionist history, such as them claiming that there was a governing body overseeing true Christians in the past.
The whole 607 B.C.E charades, when most historians accept 586 or 587 B.C.E for the destruction of Jerusalem.
Disfellowshipping and Judicial CommitteesNot a legal court, in essence a kangaroo court which operates at the mercy of men with, most of who have NO LEGAL TRAINING.
Highlight similar extremist courts across the world which result in maiming, shunning, and murder.
Highlight directives from the flock book about ways in which the corporation tries to distance itself from legal issues related to disfellowshipping, and control information about it.
Highlight what the victims of shunning go through. Interviews would be great.
People need to know that the full details about shunning / disfellowshipping aren’t usually plainly stated to new and potential recruits.
Blood
Flip flopping on organ transplant and blood.
The taking of fractions mandated by men, who claim they are only playing by the bible’s rules.
The 1994 Awake about the children who were coerced to DIE ‘faithful’ by not taking blood.
Highlight extremist groups who strap bombs to their children etc because of blind faith, and contrast that with JWs letting their kids asphyxiate to death when they could have gotten blood.
They will take fractions of YOUR blood but will NOT DONATE THEIR BLOOD to YOU!!!
Kicking you when you are down by disfellowshipping when you are already gravely ill, and took blood because you just wanted to LIVE.
Politics
If they can be verified, highlight the correspondence with Hitler.
Membership in the UN
The flip flopping on the wild beast and what the imagery they preach about from the book of Daniel really means.
The party card scandal in Malawi, and how they gave into politics elsewhere.
They live free and want all their rights, but they refuse to fight for their country or vote so they can deserve those rights.
The absurdity of some of their stances highlighted:
What would happen if say South Korea had a predominantly large JW population?
They would be invaded and oppressed by North Korea because there would be hardly anyone willing to defend the nation.Racism and discrimination
Quotes about Negroes and the superiority of Caucasians in older publications for instance.
Gay bashing, linking tight pants to gays (Anthony Morris talk audio)
Failed prophecies and legal troubles
The predictions and hype for 1914, 1919, 1925, 1975 etc etc.
How they get increased membership and money by hyping dates and periods in history.
How the WT has tried to slyly wiggle out of being responsible for making these assertions.
“Some brothers believed that in 1975 etc.”
CANDACE CONTI and that the average JW doesn’t know about that historical case. It would be great if there could be interviews with current JWs being asked about that case, and being in the dark about it.
How they operate on your mind
Contant GUILTING over simple decisons and feelings that everyone has.
Inconsitently when it comes to dictating what you can and cannot do.
For instance: You can't celebrate birthdays, Christmas, Easter, Memorial Day, Independence Day, Veterans Day, Father's Day, Mother's Day etc. because they are 'pagan', BUT they still do things like allow the use of wedding viels, which one could use the same argument against.
Check this out"There are many stories of the origin of a bride’s veil. Some say that the veil was introduced in ancient Rome. People of that era believed that evil spirits would be attracted to the bride, so they covered her face with a veil in order to conceal her features and confuse them. The definition of veil is to “obscure, shroud, mask or cover, so perhaps that is how the bridal “veil” got its name. It’s also said the in medieval times, the veil was used to protect her from “the evil eye” and was a symbol of purity, chastity, and modesty."
http://www.veilubridal.com/wedding-articles/history-of-the-wedding-veil/
Criteria for a group to be classified as a cult.
They study you, are trained to observe you at the door, and play into your likes by altering their sales pitch to be in line with your interests and concerns.
They ask questions and drill their propaganda into your head by answering with loaded language.
Other points
FEAR MONGERING – a compilation of all the fire, explosions, dying people, and Armageddon events on publications throughout the years.
The generation flip flop and younger people being appointed to the governing body WHO KEEPS DYING OFF!
135 years of promises, 100 years since the world was supposed to ‘end’.
A call for shunning reform / end
A call for public disclosure of expenditure to make sure there is no fraud, or support of terrorism for instance.
The tithing arrangement and quotes about never tithing, and bashing other groups for doing so.
Their crazy theories about women becoming men in the future. (past publications)
MULTIPLE quotes about higher education (with publish dates)
Rutherford’s alcohol problem and aggressive nature.
Russell believing he was getting prophecies from the measurements of the Great Pyramid.
Russell’s Miracle Wheat
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What is this new Announcement to take place in August?
by Quarterback injust heard from an elder.
he told me that there is another change to be announced in august.
he didn't know more about it.. any other info?.
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jw07
The new announcement - The Brightest Light Final Special Convention
There will be 9 talks - and at the end there will be Kool Aid served, that has been prayed over by the Governing Body!!!!!!
Schedule:
We Have Seen the Light!
Will You Remain Faithful To The Very End?
Follow Direction Whether It Appears Sound From A Strategic Or Human Standpoint Or Not!
Are You Willing To Donate It All To Jehovah?
Honour God With Your Gifts Of Gold And Insurance!
A Feast of Drinking That Honours God!
To This System We Say Goodbye!
Let Us All Sip Together - Figuratively and Literally
Now You Have Seen The Light!
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Why did God/Jehovah/Jesus create Viruses and bacteria that can kill humans and animals?
by Jon Preston ini know this topic has been spoken about but i havent seen an official thead about it.
so theists why did god create these and why does he co tinue to allow them?
are they from the talking snake, satan?.
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jw07
@Jon Preston - If there were no aggressive, flesh eating bacteria dinosaur carcasses would still be laying around. Don't let me get started on dinosaurs, some of which were brutal killing machines created by a 'loving' God. aaaaaaawww
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Suggestion for JWFacts
by ILoveTTATT ini have a suggestion for jwfacts, and to help make the article easier to write for paul, the collective jwn community can help.. in his article of "religions similar to jehovah's witnesses",.
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/similar-religions-to-jehovahs-witnesses.php.
paul uses mormons, cristadelphians, etc.... i suggest he also use iglesia ni cristo.
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jw07
Watch the first video at incmedia.org it's like a bizarro Philippine version of the Watchtower and Governing Body.
The man at 00:17 looks like an Asian Antony Morris the Turd
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Suggestion for JWFacts
by ILoveTTATT ini have a suggestion for jwfacts, and to help make the article easier to write for paul, the collective jwn community can help.. in his article of "religions similar to jehovah's witnesses",.
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/similar-religions-to-jehovahs-witnesses.php.
paul uses mormons, cristadelphians, etc.... i suggest he also use iglesia ni cristo.
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jw07
WTF????? There's a big 100 years banner on their website!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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How Do You Think The Last 100 Years of Kingdom Rule Has Been Going?
by minimus inyour comments will be appreciated..
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jw07
Gee, Christ has been ruling all this time? I don't know whether I should thank him or Satan for
The same things hyped in every other talk or Watchtower / Awake magazine.- Nuclear weapons
- Hydrogren weapons
- AIDs
- The Internet
- Internet Porn
- Social Media
- Increase in cancersLot's of bad things have slipped in under Christ's watchfull rule :-o at this rate life should have been better BEFORE he started to rule. The logic doesn't add up.
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New field service rules coming this summer
by doinmypart innew guidelines for field service coming this summer.
new publication to be released giving new ways of counting time, conducting studies, group activities, etc..
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jw07
Sounds like ways of racking up pointless bonus points in a network marketing scheme.
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JW.Orgy......let's come up with slogans
by AndDontCallMeShirley inhere are a couple suggestions for slogans:.
missionary positions available".. 2.
where jesus isn't the only one coming for a second time".. .. add yours to the list.
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jw07
JW.Orgy: "Millions will be Coming, will you?"
JW.Orgy: "He has been Coming for over 100 years, what does it mean for you?"
JW.Orgy: " Let anyone thirsting Come; let anyone that wishes take life’s water free.”
JW.Orgy: Ezekiel 2:2 - " And spirit began to Come into me as soon as he spoke to me, and it finally made me stand up upon my feet that I might hear the One speaking to me."
JW.Orgy: Acts 16:15 - “She just made us Come .”