Posts by Saintbertholdt

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Where did they understood the anointed ones would be before the "great crowd" "revelation"?

by paradisebeauty in

this is a question on old doctrine of jw's.

before they came up with the "great crowd" "revelation", where did they preached that the anointed ones will be?

because if they preached it will be in heaven, how did they understood that the prophecies about the earth will be fulfilled?

Big Bang or Big Bust?

by redvip2000 in

i noticed on the october issue of the awake magazine a much softer stance on the big bang theory.

now, i'm not sure if officially the org was ever against this theory ( i did not find much on this), but i do recall on a congregation level, there was constant mockery from jws about the idea that universe was the result of a big initial explosion.. we now see a softer position on this.

as the org now explains:.

Saintbertholdt

Hi redvip2000,

The Watchtower organization has never been against the theory of the Big Bang. They don't deny that the universe is billions of years old but then have a huge disconnect when it comes to biological evolution. For some reason the universe can take billions of years to arrive at its current state, but life can only take thousands of years. I always thought that was weird that creation days had to be thousands of years but could not be millions of years.

From the 15 October 1950 Watchtower, Physical Heavens Declare God’s Glory

"This means that these stars are so far away that the light that left them 1,100,000,000 years ago is just now reaching our globe. So in view of such astronomical facts, such distances, how much greater than time and space and all that fill them must Jehovah God be! What powers of communication he must possess! For moment by moment he knows what is going on in the most distant corner of infinity."

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Did anyone see Jackson state "celebrating Christmas not a df'ing offence"?

by Crazyguy in

i have seen posts on several you tube sites stating that jackson said during his rc testimony that jw's don't shun, celebrating christmas is not a disfellowshipping offence, birthdays are ok and ones doesn't have to agree with jw doctrine.

i have read most of the posts on other threads while and after his testimony but never read any of this?

did he really say these things or is someone on the net just stirring up some bs?.

Saintbertholdt

My understanding is as follows: Geoffrey Jackson could have proclaimed that celebrating your birthday while smoking a stogy was in perfect harmony with scripture, it would actually not mean a thing and here's why.

Unless the governing body met and backed up his claim with a vote and subsequently had the 'new light' published, its just one mans opinion.

The governing body are only G.O.D. when they meet. Sort of like how the power rangers can only transform into Megazord when they physically get together. Or like the Pope who is only infallible when he makes a papal decree.

There are rules to these things you know.

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Last night earthquake

by Mandrake in

last night i was in my car returning to santiago from vina del mar (the seaside) and waiting the green light the 8.4 earthquake started!

it lasted 2 minutes!!!

some people were scared, most acted calmly... so that brings to my memory what was to be a jw in the most seismic country in the world!

Saintbertholdt

I hope things normalize as soon as possible for you and your fellow Chileans.

May your country and countrymen rise to any and all challenges.

Kind regards

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Where is this evil spirit from?

by iconoclastic in

many believe in the wonderful drama of evolution (life evolving from non-life through flower/fruit beautiful trees and variety of species, reaching homo sapiens and finally returning to non-life) through various processes such as mutation, adaptation, natural selection .... yet there is an evil spirit working against the very spirit of the evolution, producing ironical results in too large a scale.

to mention a few:.

1) the really superior beings are kept sidelined (http://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-jensen-iii/2015/07/17-ways-that-science-proves-women-are-superior-to-men/).

Saintbertholdt

Thanks Cofty,

I might join :) We all have our phases before we get our wings.

Image result for paul mccartney with yogi

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Where is this evil spirit from?

by iconoclastic in

many believe in the wonderful drama of evolution (life evolving from non-life through flower/fruit beautiful trees and variety of species, reaching homo sapiens and finally returning to non-life) through various processes such as mutation, adaptation, natural selection .... yet there is an evil spirit working against the very spirit of the evolution, producing ironical results in too large a scale.

to mention a few:.

1) the really superior beings are kept sidelined (http://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-jensen-iii/2015/07/17-ways-that-science-proves-women-are-superior-to-men/).

Saintbertholdt

The BK cult must have a system for counting time

Do you know anything about the BK cult?

Iconoclastic writes he does not believe in a literal creationist view but also rejects evolution.

So how did everything get here?

Is it Brain in a bottle connected to a VR simulation philosophy?

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Where is this evil spirit from?

by iconoclastic in

many believe in the wonderful drama of evolution (life evolving from non-life through flower/fruit beautiful trees and variety of species, reaching homo sapiens and finally returning to non-life) through various processes such as mutation, adaptation, natural selection .... yet there is an evil spirit working against the very spirit of the evolution, producing ironical results in too large a scale.

to mention a few:.

1) the really superior beings are kept sidelined (http://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-jensen-iii/2015/07/17-ways-that-science-proves-women-are-superior-to-men/).

Saintbertholdt

Thus religions nor evolution are the answer.

You know what evolution says about the existence of God?

Absolutely nothing. It is neither for or against it.

God could have set the whole universe in motion and Universal Darwinism is just a fundamental algorithm that is used to drive the entire process.

What is interesting though is what it would say about the fundamental nature of God.

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Where is this evil spirit from?

by iconoclastic in

many believe in the wonderful drama of evolution (life evolving from non-life through flower/fruit beautiful trees and variety of species, reaching homo sapiens and finally returning to non-life) through various processes such as mutation, adaptation, natural selection .... yet there is an evil spirit working against the very spirit of the evolution, producing ironical results in too large a scale.

to mention a few:.

1) the really superior beings are kept sidelined (http://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-jensen-iii/2015/07/17-ways-that-science-proves-women-are-superior-to-men/).

Saintbertholdt

What if we are awakened to another state of consciousness of different plane/dimension.

Sounds a bit like Plato's cave.

Ths is not to say that this world is not real, but to show the limitations of our physical senses which some of the people view them as ultimate source of knowledge/experience.

Lets assume you are absolutely correct. One is in a dream/simulation until one awakens.

Even if that were the case the dream/simulation still has rules and one still has to play the game according to those rules. Whether literal or a dream, the outcome is still the same. You have to play the game optimally and therefore you have to understand the parameters and limits. No-one explained the rules so the best way to figure them out is to test for rules e.g. experimentation and observation.

I do not take the Genesis account of creation which is the fabrication of later writers, according to Jeremiah 7:22; 8:8

Then why are you such a skeptic when it comes to evolution? It seems that it forms a part of the fundamental rule set. The evolutionary algorithm is being observed in all disciplines. Anywhere where entropy and information enthalpy interact (which is everywhere), you have the potential to observe evolution.

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Where is this evil spirit from?

by iconoclastic in

many believe in the wonderful drama of evolution (life evolving from non-life through flower/fruit beautiful trees and variety of species, reaching homo sapiens and finally returning to non-life) through various processes such as mutation, adaptation, natural selection .... yet there is an evil spirit working against the very spirit of the evolution, producing ironical results in too large a scale.

to mention a few:.

1) the really superior beings are kept sidelined (http://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-jensen-iii/2015/07/17-ways-that-science-proves-women-are-superior-to-men/).