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  Where did they understood the anointed ones would be before the "great crowd" "revelation"?

  by paradisebeauty in

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  this is a question on old doctrine of jw's.

  before they came up with the "great crowd" "revelation", where did they preached that the anointed ones will be?

  because if they preached it will be in heaven, how did they understood that the prophecies about the earth will be fulfilled?

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  Saintbertholdt

  And the faithful oness on old time to live on earth as princess. Proncess lover who?

  Post Armageddon Jews, pre-Pentecostal Israelites and proselytes.
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  Where did they understood the anointed ones would be before the "great crowd" "revelation"?

  by paradisebeauty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a question on old doctrine of jw's.

  before they came up with the "great crowd" "revelation", where did they preached that the anointed ones will be?

  because if they preached it will be in heaven, how did they understood that the prophecies about the earth will be fulfilled?

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  Saintbertholdt

  Rutherford taught multiple classes but I'm not sure about Russell, the book shown above is from Rutherford, is it not Saint?

  Yeah its from Millions now living will never die.
  I know Russell believed and preached consolation for the Jews. And he also believed in two heavenly classes.

  What he believed about the pre-pentecostal earthly resurrection I'm unsure of. He certainly didn't predict 1925, as that was all Rutherford :)
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  Where did they understood the anointed ones would be before the "great crowd" "revelation"?

  by paradisebeauty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a question on old doctrine of jw's.

  before they came up with the "great crowd" "revelation", where did they preached that the anointed ones will be?

  because if they preached it will be in heaven, how did they understood that the prophecies about the earth will be fulfilled?

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  Saintbertholdt

  So in short, there were two heavenly classes which only began after Pentecost.

  Everyone before that event would get an earthly resurrection.

  The Jews would also be restored to Palestine.

  So later Rutherford just amalgamated the second heavenly class with the pre-Pentecost earthly class and dropped the consolation for the Jews.
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  Where did they understood the anointed ones would be before the "great crowd" "revelation"?

  by paradisebeauty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a question on old doctrine of jw's.

  before they came up with the "great crowd" "revelation", where did they preached that the anointed ones will be?

  because if they preached it will be in heaven, how did they understood that the prophecies about the earth will be fulfilled?

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  Big Bang or Big Bust?

  by redvip2000 in

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  i noticed on the october issue of the awake magazine a much softer stance on the big bang theory.

  now, i'm not sure if officially the org was ever against this theory ( i did not find much on this), but i do recall on a congregation level, there was constant mockery from jws about the idea that universe was the result of a big initial explosion.. we now see a softer position on this.

  as the org now explains:.

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  Saintbertholdt

  Hi redvip2000,

  The Watchtower organization has never been against the theory of the Big Bang. They don't deny that the universe is billions of years old but then have a huge disconnect when it comes to biological evolution. For some reason the universe can take billions of years to arrive at its current state, but life can only take thousands of years. I always thought that was weird that creation days had to be thousands of years but could not be millions of years.

  From the 15 October 1950 Watchtower, Physical Heavens Declare God’s Glory

  "This means that these stars are so far away that the light that left them 1,100,000,000 years ago is just now reaching our globe. So in view of such astronomical facts, such distances, how much greater than time and space and all that fill them must Jehovah God be! What powers of communication he must possess! For moment by moment he knows what is going on in the most distant corner of infinity."

  
  
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  Did anyone see Jackson state "celebrating Christmas not a df'ing offence"?

  by Crazyguy in

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  2. scandals

  i have seen posts on several you tube sites stating that jackson said during his rc testimony that jw's don't shun, celebrating christmas is not a disfellowshipping offence, birthdays are ok and ones doesn't have to agree with jw doctrine.

  i have read most of the posts on other threads while and after his testimony but never read any of this?

  did he really say these things or is someone on the net just stirring up some bs?.

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  My understanding is as follows: Geoffrey Jackson could have proclaimed that celebrating your birthday while smoking a stogy was in perfect harmony with scripture, it would actually not mean a thing and here's why.

  Unless the governing body met and backed up his claim with a vote and subsequently had the 'new light' published, its just one mans opinion.

  The governing body are only G.O.D. when they meet. Sort of like how the power rangers can only transform into Megazord when they physically get together. Or like the Pope who is only infallible when he makes a papal decree.

  There are rules to these things you know.
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  Last night earthquake

  by Mandrake in

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  last night i was in my car returning to santiago from vina del mar (the seaside) and waiting the green light the 8.4 earthquake started!

  it lasted 2 minutes!!!

  some people were scared, most acted calmly... so that brings to my memory what was to be a jw in the most seismic country in the world!

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  Saintbertholdt

  I hope things normalize as soon as possible for you and your fellow Chileans.

  May your country and countrymen rise to any and all challenges.

  Kind regards
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  Where is this evil spirit from?

  by iconoclastic in

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  2. beliefs

  many believe in the wonderful drama of evolution (life evolving from non-life through flower/fruit beautiful trees and variety of species, reaching homo sapiens and finally returning to non-life) through various processes such as mutation, adaptation, natural selection .... yet there is an evil spirit working against the very spirit of the evolution, producing ironical results in too large a scale.

  to mention a few:.

  1) the really superior beings are kept sidelined (http://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-jensen-iii/2015/07/17-ways-that-science-proves-women-are-superior-to-men/).

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  Saintbertholdt

  Thanks Cofty,

  I might join :) We all have our phases before we get our wings.

  
  
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  Where is this evil spirit from?

  by iconoclastic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many believe in the wonderful drama of evolution (life evolving from non-life through flower/fruit beautiful trees and variety of species, reaching homo sapiens and finally returning to non-life) through various processes such as mutation, adaptation, natural selection .... yet there is an evil spirit working against the very spirit of the evolution, producing ironical results in too large a scale.

  to mention a few:.

  1) the really superior beings are kept sidelined (http://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-jensen-iii/2015/07/17-ways-that-science-proves-women-are-superior-to-men/).

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  Saintbertholdt

  The BK cult must have a system for counting time
  

  Do you know anything about the BK cult?

  Iconoclastic writes he does not believe in a literal creationist view but also rejects evolution.

  So how did everything get here?

  Is it Brain in a bottle connected to a VR simulation philosophy?
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  Where is this evil spirit from?

  by iconoclastic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many believe in the wonderful drama of evolution (life evolving from non-life through flower/fruit beautiful trees and variety of species, reaching homo sapiens and finally returning to non-life) through various processes such as mutation, adaptation, natural selection .... yet there is an evil spirit working against the very spirit of the evolution, producing ironical results in too large a scale.

  to mention a few:.

  1) the really superior beings are kept sidelined (http://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-jensen-iii/2015/07/17-ways-that-science-proves-women-are-superior-to-men/).

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  Saintbertholdt

  Thus religions nor evolution are the answer.

  You know what evolution says about the existence of God?

  Absolutely nothing. It is neither for or against it.

  God could have set the whole universe in motion and Universal Darwinism is just a fundamental algorithm that is used to drive the entire process.

  What is interesting though is what it would say about the fundamental nature of God.