Posts by TheOldHippie

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DATING THE BOOK OF REVELATION - new article

by EdenOne in

just published another article on my website.

i promised i would make a more complete study on dating the book of revelation.

as a result i published the article: dating revelation - solely with internal evidence from the new testament.

TheOldHippie

" John would have been released from Patmos in 68 AD (or shortly thereafter) and the time when he received this revelation and wrote it down would have been prior to 70 AD. John himself mentions in the book that he was at Patmos, when he received this revelation. Given the commentary of Paul about a distinguished disciple receiving visions of heavens and secret revelations in the year 41 CE, and assuming that disciple was John, then the visions of John began even before he was exiled to Patmos"

The two parts I have underlined, says it all to me. If one assumes things and states things would have happened - then all is possible ,,,,,,,,

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Mistranslated Scriptures

by Crazyguy in

i'm looking for help with a list of scriptures that the jw's mistranslated.

i'm thinking this may help to wake some one up.

i can think of rev 1:9 rev.5:10 and in luke were they changed the wording to say covenant from appoint or bestow, but that all i know so far.

TheOldHippie

But the question is not THAT easy, is it? If you say that something is a false translation or mistranslated - then compared to what? Or to which translation? Can we say that a translation is wrong, just because it differs from an older translation? Just because a translation - as a whole or of a certain passage - is old and/or widely used, it does not have to mean it is correct. For each and every NWT verse some would choose to call a false translation, one could just as easily point to other verses in other versions or translations and call THEM false translations. There is a huge difference between a translation which is different from how the verse is translated by other versions of the Bible, but where the transalation is within the realms of what is possible - and a translation where grammar rules and word meanings seem to have been deliberately broken or changed to force the verse to state what your pet opinion wishes it to state. John 1:1 is no example of the latter, and neither are 90 % of the so-called examples of falsely translated verses in the NWT. I think you should start by reading Jason BeDuhn's Truth in Translation.

We do not speak KJV English any more. Languages change. New manuscripts are found. Our knowledge about the world 2,000 years ago increase. If you do not speak NT Greek yourself, you really are in no position to utter an opinion on the matter, because you then have to rely on what experts say, and you have to "pick your experts", choose between them. As long as you do not master NT Greek yourself, all you have is hearsay.

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Seeing the Strange in the JW Familiar

by laverite in

there are times when we manage to step outside of our own identities, perspectives and world view, and look at ourselves, our situations or certain lived experiences almost as an outsider.

sociologists call it seeing the strange in the familiar.

an anthropologist by the name of miner wrote a fascinating piece involving this very concept (see http://www.ohio.edu/people/thompsoc/body.html).

TheOldHippie

Not being allowed to wear 'pants' in a blizzard --- WE-IRD!

Yes, very weirs, as all European female JWs wear them. So one should try to make a difference between what is one's personal experience and what is worldwide group behavious.

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JWs Most Feared Bible Verse

by JCISGOD98 in

the jehovah witnesses most feared bible verse.

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TheOldHippie

What Bible have you been reading, poor BugBear? - finding in it all those things as the main contents, I mean?

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KM quote? Examining the Truth is bad?

by DATA-DOG in

jw
friends

i have been looking for a quote that i believe was in a km, but i just have not found it yet.

it was about examining beliefs.

it was not the quote that said " study is hard work, bethel will do it for you.

TheOldHippie

But IF JWs should be warned against studying the Bible - perhaps a quote to that effect would be required in stead of just claims to that effect?

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Can losing faith in God be a disfellowshipping offense?

by Emery in

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friends

i have been pondering this question for awhile.

say a person during a shepherding visit with the elders were to simply state that they had lost their faith in god because of the subject of suffering-- would the elders still have grounds to disfellowship them even if the person did not actually commit a sinful offense?

instead of diving into all the errors, false prophecies, and lies advanced by the organization can somebody simply say, "i have lost faith in jehovah" and walk away without being publically denounced?

TheOldHippie

Just remember the bias by those having responded. Their responses might not be 100 % agreed upon by JWs or elders you would come across. Those having responded of course have THEIR history to tell and THEIR reasons for responding as they do. The whole question is a bit "weird", why would one wish to continue being a member - to call it that - of an organization whose aims, foundations, whole legitimacy one not only questions but denies? Depending of how militant one puts forward one's views, I guess the result would more be "has disassociated himself".

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Bible Teach Book has been getting a facelift WT Style

by RayPublisher in

well the book they use to conduct bible studies is already showing its age, and just like the changes they made to the live forever book they are doing it to the bible teach book as well.

here is something i found on the kool aid site jw talk .

net:.

TheOldHippie

My point was that shit IS happening. Millions of people are living under horrible circumstances. Millions of people in the rich Western world suffer terribly too. Most of the world does not live a Californian life. But of course, what does a LA citizen care.

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What's new for 2013 - lo nuevo de 2013

by oppostate in

thanks to adam at the spanish language exjw forum for the news.http://www.extj.com/showthread.php?23065-lo-nuevo-del-2013the information of the above link is translated here below in bold serif font type.. lo nuevo del 2013what's new for 2013publicaciones nuevas 2013. new publications for 2013. .

5 tratados - 5 tracts.

2 libros - 2 books.

TheOldHippie

"The absence of anything really new is so obvious and it speaks volumes as to the qualifications of the current Governing Body to make any bold moves or changes "

On the other hand - the Bible message, how could one produce something "new" out of it every year? You would wonder more if a brochure was issued, stating the Moon in reality is a green cheese. There are limitations as to what novelties could be produced based on the Bible.

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Bible Teach Book has been getting a facelift WT Style

by RayPublisher in

well the book they use to conduct bible studies is already showing its age, and just like the changes they made to the live forever book they are doing it to the bible teach book as well.

here is something i found on the kool aid site jw talk .

net:.

TheOldHippie

"It is not typical for a person to see tanks or bombers in most cities in the world. It is not typical for a person to be held at gun- or knife-point."

I know. But tell that to a citizen of the third-world nation, where most of the world'speople live - and where these things DO happen on a very, very frequent basis.

Tell it out loudly from the roof tops of Damascus, of Bagdad, of Teheran, of all Afghan cities, of South European cities where 50 % of the youth are unemployed, of almost each and every one of Africa's cities, and listen closely to the reply you get.

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What was the recent change made regarding baptisms?

by Witness My Fury in

just saw a post by splash on the commision transcript thread: (pasted below).

we had a talk at our hall recently, basically saying that there have been lots of letters written to the uk branch, questioning and complaining about a new change introduced for the baptisms at the sad and ca.. the talk did not try to reason, it did not try to explain.. the talk was "do as you are told, don't question what you are told".. we were told to do as the song instructs us "listen, obey and be blessed".. we were told that this change was from jehovah so keep up with his chariot.. i think this talk was given in quite a few locations around the country.. what was that all about please?.

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TheOldHippie

For the last 30 years here, baptism has been done separately and NOT as a part of the program. Is this supposedly something "new"?