a new book on the events of the 1917 schism titled rutherford's coup is officially out on amazon.. authored by rud persson.
description.
raised a baptist, in 1906, joseph franklin rutherford, a provincial missouri attorney with a shrewd and scheming legal mind, became a baptized “bible student.” in 1907, rutherford became the legal counselor for the group's legally chartered corporation, the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania.
I think Rutherford was determined to distance himself any way he could from Christendoms religions and call the religion Jehovah`s Witnesses .
I think the mistake he made was settling on the name Jehovah which was in fact used throughout Christendom for centuries.
Inscribed in stone on ancient churches in Europe and elsewhere.
And the Catholic Douay version of the Bible.
Maybe he should have used something like Yahweh or some equivalent to differentiate themselves even more from Christendom.
how do they verify this claim,if they can and how easy do we debunk this claim if we can ?.
what is needed to verify a claim made by anyone or an organization ?.
i`m interested in what you have to say about this ..
Thank you Atlantis for publishing that list posted by "Alfred" .
I might actually print a copy of that list and send it to my niece.
It can`t do any harm as she never contacts us anymore like she once did.
how do they verify this claim,if they can and how easy do we debunk this claim if we can ?.
what is needed to verify a claim made by anyone or an organization ?.
i`m interested in what you have to say about this ..
How do they verify this claim,if they can and how easy do we debunk this claim if we can ?
What is needed to verify a claim made by anyone or an organization ?
I`m interested in what you have to say about this .
a new book on the events of the 1917 schism titled rutherford's coup is officially out on amazon.. authored by rud persson.
description.
raised a baptist, in 1906, joseph franklin rutherford, a provincial missouri attorney with a shrewd and scheming legal mind, became a baptized “bible student.” in 1907, rutherford became the legal counselor for the group's legally chartered corporation, the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania.
It includes an interesting chapter on the Standfast movement
Can someone elaborate on what the Standfast movement refers to ? JW`s related. or no ?
OK ,I googled it and its all news to me about this and I was a JW for 32 years ,how was this possible ?
Stand Fast and the Elijah Voice Society Many IBSA classes in the Northwest backed “The Finished Mystery.” But Charles E. Heard of Vancouver B.C. and many others felt Rutherford’s recommendation in 1918 Spring to buy war bonds was cowardice, and sacrilegiously perpetuating harvest work.
And that`s just the introduction .
Thank you RR and SBF for bringing this to my and I`m sure others attention .
i am looking for a tms that was published in the early 70s that said many have sold homes to go where the need was great, this is a fine way to spend ones time in the last days.
i am trying to remember how it was said to the best of my knowledge but this is close.
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Happy Dad
When I saw TMS I thought it meant Tony Morris, Sir
some older JWs have privately said the religion Did predict 1975.
Yes and I can vouch for that as well though in not so many words but they sure did imply it in many of their publications as has been well documented on this forum.
Of course that`s when they believed that 6 thousand years of human history would end in 1975 .
And of course back then what we didn`t know was that 1975 was a revision of an earlier date that had been promoted as the end of 6 thousand years of human history in the late 1800`s by the WT.
And I recall praise given to those who sold up what they owned and went to serve where the need was great because the end was so close .
I was baptized in 1960.
Dummy me still stuck around till about 1993.
at a certain point, as the years tick by, you start to realize that you have forgotten a lot of things.
typically, something you learned, some knowledge or skill you used to have, that you just haven't used for so long you no longer remember anything but that you once knew it.. i saw an article about electrical resistors the other day, and how the colored bands signify the rating.
now all i remember is that i used to know it, and that resistors do something with, erm, electricity ...
The last place I worked at ,for 28 years, about 15 of us worked together and I can`t remember most of them ,and that was about 15 years ago when I retired.
it has been interesting for me to learn the various ways that the jws twist the scriptures to fit their own dogma.
(of course jws aren't alone in that, but that's another topic.
) two quick examples of jws not following or going beyond the bible are blood and birthdays.
Isn`t that statement "Bad associations spoil useful habits " just plain common sense ?
Any Tom Dick or Harry could have told us that.
It`s not as if it`s a GOD inspired thought .
i don't have the link but i am trying to post this, this is from a previous post on jwn.
watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. dear brothers:.. we received your letter of december 17 in which you inquire about handling a situation involving a brother who has been guilty of serious violation of the law in the past.. you explained that you received information indicating that this brother ?committed several murders and crimes before his baptism.
you ask if law obligates some action on our part.
I was just wondering ?
Has anybody ever downloaded /copied this letter and sent it to a National Newspaper or a Current Affairs TV broadcast anywhere in the world ?
Surely an investigative journalist of the media could have a ball digging into the background of this letter from the JW HQ. ?
Wouldn`t it be a story worth telling ?
it has been interesting for me to learn the various ways that the jws twist the scriptures to fit their own dogma.
(of course jws aren't alone in that, but that's another topic.
) two quick examples of jws not following or going beyond the bible are blood and birthdays.
Welcome Kathy hussey
,I hope you stick around ,I liked your first post ,not that I`m in agreement with it but that`s what you can do here and not what you can do in the WT/JW religion without repercussions.
no JW becomes one & gets baptized without already being fully aware of all that they're expected to do and not do as one of JW's.
True ,the interpretation JW`s have given to the person studying based on the Watchtower and not the Bible ,sure they use the Bible but its to give the WT `s interpretation of what the scriptures mean.
it's not as if those joining are deceived or fooled about anything they're agreeing to because the process is an involved one to actually be approved as a candidate ready to get baptized, and be a JW.
The majority of people on this board would have real reason to dispute that statement as would anybody who has left the religion after being in it for many years ,myself 32 years.
They ensure you have thorough understanding so no one is duped or misled in any way.
They ensure you have a thorough understanding of what the GB/WT understanding of Jehovah`s Witness teachings are but that`s not what the Bible teaches .
Do your research on 607-1914 ,the generation that would not pass away .1914 when Armageddon was first supposed to happen.1925 when all the faithful were to be resurrected and live and be Princes , at Beth Sarim where "Judge Ruthered lived.1975 when Armageddon was supposed to occur,after 6000 years of human existence on this earth.
The ludicrous explanation of their failed doctrine" the generation that would not pass away since 1914" to be an overlapping generation ? ,come on ,their really scraping the barrel with that one.
how gullible can one get.!
All the flip flops of doctrine , beliefs ,and practices over the years,and continually revising their own history.
And to answer the OP Q? I would say yes bad associations can spoil useful habits ,I have no problem with that statement.
Take care.
theres a couple of threads re: 1914 on the board right now and it got me thinking.. the jw doctrine of the 1914 generation is a key doctrine , yet it is probably the number one reason most have left over the decades.. 1975- within one generation.. 1995 - new understanding of the word generation.. 2010- overlapping generation first mentioned- some anointed survive armageddon.. 2015- infamous overlapping generations chart featuring david splane.. its obvious the org is changing the goalposts and constantly trying to squeeze as much time as they can before they have to abandon this altogether.
or will they come up with something new?.
does anyone else think this ever changing doctrine is responsible for the biggest loss of members?.
1975- within one generation.
1995 - new understanding of the word generation.
2010- overlapping generation first mentioned- some anointed survive armageddon.
2015- infamous overlapping generations chart featuring David Splane.
Correct me if I am wrong but has there been a big decrease in membership ?
The last I heard was something like 8.5 million JW`s worldwide a few years ago ,what is the number now in 2022 ?
A big decrease or not ?
How many are you saying is now the number of active JW` s worldwide ?
Significantly less than 8 .5 million Jehovah`s witnesses ?
And can you verify it ?
