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Atheism's occult roots

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NoStonecutters

Jeffro, what are you talking about? Privatio boni goes back to at least Aristotle.

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Jesus- an invention of the Roman Emperors

by designs in

here's one to critique.

the flavian family- vespasian, titus, domitian had the jesus character invented, which could account for the many errors on judaism in the gospels.

it was an answer to the jewish revolt in that it developed a pacifist group who relied on superstition- this is why the gospels appear after the jewish roman war.. flavius josephus= arrius calpurnius piso.

NoStonecutters

Why would the Romans want to agitate the Jews further? Under Julian the Apostate—who collaborated with Jews against the Christians—Rome faced the biggest engineering project ever in attempting to rebuild the Jewish temple. Doesn't make a lot of sense. The Jews fought endlessly with the Romans over Christianity. They were the most active revolutionaries in Rome at the time.

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The Watchtower and the Masons

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the latest edition of the free in christ ministries journal contains a very interesting article entitled the watchtower and masons.. drawing upon material from the book the watchtower & the masons by fritz springmeier, it gives the following parallels between the things that c t russell believed and those taught by the masons:.

* both believe jehovah is the most important word being the basis of their dogma, and the name of their god.

* both believe god yielded power to a lesser god.

NoStonecutters

Neverknew, what was the alleged conspiracy you are talking about?

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Atheism's occult roots

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NoStonecutters

Not so Jeffro. You obviously didn't read and understand the rest of my post. It is the Church's position that evil is not substance (privatio boni). Evil is the absence of God, Satan is absent of God's truth. See St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine of Hippo. They wrote extensively on the problem of evil. Only the Protestant—and Watchtower—view of evil disconnects atheism from Satanism. This obviously predisposes Jehovah's Witnesses and Protestants to adopting atheism.

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NoStonecutters

Transhuman, valid point; however, what if evil (the Devil) merely means the absence of God? With that definition established, I see very little difference, if any, between atheism and Satanism. Both negate God in the pursuit of materialism and naturalism. This is further strengthened by the traditional Christian view of evil—privatio boni—established by the Church Fathers.

I venture to say that the Watchtower's infantile understanding of evil fuels ex-Jehovah's Witnesses in their decision to discard God.

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Similiarities between Satanism and Atheism

If ex-Jehovah's Witness atheists really knew what Satanism was, not the Watchtower version, I think they would find it a little uncomfortable, as it has many similarities with Atheism. Satanism is not the worship of Lucifer, the fallen angel, per se. Satanism is about self worship, self enlightenment, and elevation.

For Satanism, Anton Lavey and Kenneth Anger both said that "The purest form of Atheism is Satanism." Not that they believed in Satan, but they believed that they were the ruler of their own life. Thus making what they see as the "story" of Lucifer as the perfect example (Rebellion and denial of "God", and casting one's will over "God's")

Satanism Follows - "Do what thou wilt"

Christianity teaches - "Thy will (God's will) be done".

Though an Atheist may not believe in Lucifer, do Atheists admit the similarity of following their own will (put themselves before "God") and rebelling against "God or God's concept" and denial of God is at least similar to exactly what the "story" of Lucifer did? Atheism and Satanism follow the same fundamentals 1) Denial of God.
2) One following their own rule of life. Other similiarities:

1. They don’t believe in the supernatural. This is one of the primary soap boxes that modern-day atheists such as Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennet preach from constantly! They say that we are now beneficiaries of “The Enlightenment” which showed us how foolish it is to believe in the supernatural. In fact, both Satanists (see #7 of the Nine Satanic Statements) and atheists (see Peter Singer’s Animal Liberation and Daniel Dennett’s Darwin’s Dangerous Idea) insist that there is no fundamental difference between us and the animals. They say that we are simply highly evolved animals. It should come as no surprise that atheistic sexual ethics are becoming more and more like those held by Satanists. Satanism “…encourages any form of sexual expression you may desire, so long as it hurts no one else.” (Satanic Bible, pg 69) Influential atheist ethicist Peter Singer has come under controversy for claiming sex between humans and animals, although considered taboo, presents no ethical prohibitions as long as the animal is not hurt. It seems extreme, and most atheists will likely disagree with Singer, but it shows the dangerous places you could theoretically go when you abandon the biblical distinction between humans and animals, and Satanism and atheism both share this belief.

2. They believe that self is the ultimate authority. When you do away with the existence of God, you are left with no ultimate authority besides yourself. In The Satanic Bible, LaVey writes: “The Satanist feels: ‘Why not really be honest and if you are going to create a god in your image, why not create that god as yourself?’ Every man is a god if he chooses to recognize himself as one. So, the Satanist celebrates his own birthday as the most important holiday of the year.” (pg 96) On the atheist side, Richard Dawkins claims “…that the existence of God is a scientific hypothesis like any other.” (The God Delusion, pg 72) Dawkins insists that if God exists, He should be explainable through science alone. But what does this say? It says, “If God exists, he must be explainable in a way that I can understand.” When we can understand something it gives us power over it. Dawkins will not admit that there may be a God that we cannot fully comprehend. In this way, atheists promote themselves as God. In both Satanism and atheism, the human individual ultimately occupies the place of god.

3. When we are the ultimate authority, then we determine our own ethics. If God does not exist, then who becomes the authority on ethics? We do. Without God, we are left to determine our own ethics. For the Satanist, nothing is greater than the pursuit of pleasure. LaVey writes, “The FLESH prevaileth and a great Church shall be builded, consecrated in its name. No longer shall man’s salvation be dependent on his self-denial. And it will be known that the world of the flesh and the living shall be the greatest preparation for any and all eternal delights!” (Satanic Bible, pgs 23-24) Ethicists like Peter Singer are “Utilitarians” who believe in maximizing pleasure and minimizing pain for the greatest number of people. Indeed, if there is no God, and all we have is this physical life, then why waste time in pursuit of the spiritual? Why not engage in the physical pleasures available to you? Unless you borrow from Christian morality (which atheism almost always does), you are left with nothing to determine your morality except the pursuit of pleasure over pain.

4. They are both strongly opposed to religion.

This is perhaps the greatest similarity between the two. One of the biggest themes running through the Satanic Bible is a disdain for religion. Modern-day atheists such as Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris, and the late Christopher Hitchens have been anything by subtle over their thoughts on religion. Whether it is claiming that religion is child-abuse (Hitchens, God is Not Great, chapter 16, Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, chapter 9) or holding rallies specifically to “ridicule and show contempt for faith” (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2012/03/-atheists-richard-dawkins-reason-rally/1#.UDfn6ER9kzo), today’s atheists have made it clear that they are against religion in all its manifestations.

So, why do I draw attention to the similarities between Satanism and atheism? Simply to say that it should come as no surprise that the biblical adversary to the Christian faith would have his name attached to a cult that ultimately reflects the polar opposite of faith. People cringe when they think of Satanism but are a little more understanding when they hear “atheism.” However, when you strip away the scary rituals and dark robes, the two are essentially the same at the worldview level. They both deny the existence of God (or anything supernatural), they see humanity as the ultimate authority, they are Darwinian in their ethics, and they both oppose religion. The Bible is clear that there is a spiritual world that is very real, and it only has two sides (Ephesians 6:10-17). If you reject God, you inadvertently side with the devil. So which side are you on?

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templelijah

by turtleturtle in

is templelijah serious when he posted this to his blog?.

http://templelijah.wordpress.com/gb-8k-infiltration/gb-stephen-lett-flashes-666-hand-sign/.

what is your take on this elijah?

NoStonecutters

If the Holy Trinity is a lie, why do Satanists legitimize it by reversing it, by proposing a polar opposite to it? Wouldn't it make more sense to just use the Trinity itself, seeing as Jehovah's Witnesses believe it is a Satanic lie?

"In this 17th century alchemical drawing, the AntiChrist King and his unholy trinity (three crowns over Earth) worship the transforming fire from their sun deity, symbolized by the triangle within a circle."

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