Welcome to Simon's board Joel. Always nice to meet new ones.
spectromize
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What's aaaaup???
by joel inhey you guys...what's up?.
i'm new here..spending most of my time on another board(followed someone here)...but i would like to drop in from time to time..if that's cool!.
i've been associated with jw's since '72...baptized in '74(just under the wire ;o)...part of those years serving as an elder and now...well...that's a loooong story!...just let me say that i had/have issues.. but we will not talk about those now!!
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ARE JWs Snoops?
by Zep inon the the back of awake june22 is a short little story!.
last year, in maryland, u.s.a, a man politely refused the wt and awake magazines.his younger, however asked if she could have them, and the father said that she could.the two cleaning their car and putting trash in a nearby trash container[in other words a dumpster].
concerned that the magazines might be discarded, the witness who offered them decided to return later[in other words late at night/early morning] and check the container[container is such a nice word...but in reality its called a dumpster...].
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spectromize
Zep,
JW's are the biggest snoops on the planet remember we are trained that way from the kingdom ministry to weasel and observe our way around conversations, people, things in peoples yard for the ultimate goal of ramming a magazine down someboy's throat.
We are also taught to be suspicious of anything that rings worldly even of our own brothers and sisters if we think something is not kosher.
How many times have you heard of someone phoning an elder to see about whether someone is good association? I have plenty of times heard awful experiences in that respect.
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So THIS is where everyone went!
by Spock inokay i figured it was time to "widen out" cybernetically speaking.
i am inactive now but have 28 years of jw experience, including bethel, ivcw, pioneering, eldering in spanish congregations, and "need greater" (unofficial missionary) time in paraguay (the country's only german-speaking group) and in dominican republic.. now that i've established my rather impressive credentials, allow me to bestow the formal vulcan benediction to all (if i can do it right).. <img src=" http://www.egreetings.com/e-products/m_postreply/card_gif/epgi1400.gif">
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spectromize
Welcome Spock from Spec!
"Beam me up Scotty from the JW world there's no intelligent life down there!"
HE! HE! HE! just kidding!
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Question for Women.
by spectromize inwhy is it so hard to read what a woman is really thinking?
and what are the no no's when trying to ask a woman for a date and how do you know a woman is interested in you?.
i would really appreciate help, seems i lack in the right touch, tonight i was just told off by a cute lady, i honestly didn't recognized her and made the mistake of telling her so.
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spectromize
Seven,
I have to work both days this weekend and likely won't be going out. So that puts a damper in my plans. However watch out for next weekend!
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Can I come play?
by Tishie ini'm a bit stressed out of late, and i noticed some on my friends here, so do you mind if i distract myself by talking with you fine people?.
tishie.
"it is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!
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spectromize
Tishie,
Will that be red wine or white?
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Path,
I just hope it doesn't turn out to be another "Fatal Attraction", I agree with Seven on that one don't drag it out it's better now then just being annoyed by something you know will never happen.
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Disfellowshipping, again
by somebody ini'm trying to gather every scripture used to imply that the practice of disfellowshipping among christians is scriptual.
please notice that i did not say "to imply that the "idea" is scriptual, but the "practice".
any input would be of help.
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spectromize
Frenchy,
I mean if he wanted to go inside a private house or place of worship where there is a meeting of spiritual things he would not be allowed. Outside those activities for example if his family wanted to have him over or if anyone else wanted to talk to him or associate there would be no shunning.
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Gifts- bribery or an act of love
by Kismet inoften i hear about guys who are in the proverbial doghouse with their girlfriend and/or spouse (though both at the same time is very messy and not recommended- lol).
9 of 10 times the discussion then revolves around how to get out of the doghouse.
flowers, candies, sparkling trinkets, trips etc are thrown out as the "accepted" way to gain forgiveness.
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spectromize
I'll drink to the budweiser and flower thing.
I think it's fairly accurate. I certainly would forgive very fast if I saw that case of 2-4 after an argument! I certainly would never consider it a bribe. -
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Disfellowshipping, again
by somebody ini'm trying to gather every scripture used to imply that the practice of disfellowshipping among christians is scriptual.
please notice that i did not say "to imply that the "idea" is scriptual, but the "practice".
any input would be of help.
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spectromize
Frenchy,
There would be no shunning like the wt org. teaches, you would still be able to talk to him on the street or his relatives would still be able to talk to him and so on.
If at the end of 30 days no change takes place and he wants to laugh in Jehovah's face doing as he pleases since he knows what Jehovah's law teaches on adultery and since he would persist in his wicked course and cause pain to his wife, children and relatives,friends, yes he would be stopped from associating with the rest of the group to take part in spiritual things.
However you must remember that this individual knows Jehovah's law and blatantly rejects it, there is a diffrence from someone newly associated who doesn't know his left hand from his right.
It is up to each individual outside the cong. to determine their own course to follow and what kind of association they will have with him without the interference of those taking the lead. But as the scriptures warn one about bad associations spoil useful habits.
I don't like to use the word shunning or disfellowshipped since it's been such an abuse process within the org. I don't believe anyone should be labelled with those titles since it is in the heart of an individual to change if he really tries and wants to so we wouldn't want to make it more difficult for them.
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Disfellowshipping, again
by somebody ini'm trying to gather every scripture used to imply that the practice of disfellowshipping among christians is scriptual.
please notice that i did not say "to imply that the "idea" is scriptual, but the "practice".
any input would be of help.
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spectromize
Frenchy,
The 30 days I'm talking about means complete removal from the group or cong. The person would be informed that at the end of those days, he would be able to come and associate if he wanted to if he changed his course and in the mean time he would be strongly counseled to get professional help for his drinking and professional help as far as marriage counseling is concerned.
The principle I take is from 1st corinthians chapter 5. There is the example of the corinthian man who had the wife of his father and the counsel Paul gave to the corinthian cong.
Verse 2 of that chapter reads:" And are you puffed up, and did you not rather mourn, in order that the man that committed this deed should be taken away from your midts?"
Verse 11-13 reads:"But now I am writing you to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard, not even eating with such a man. For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, while God judges those outside? "Remove the wicked man from among yourselves."
You have to remember that persistent wrongdoers usually like to hang around with the same company. What's wrong with the wt org. arrangements is that it encourages the wrongdoer to stay in the midts of the cong. due to the fact that if they try to leave they will be labelled for good and shunned for good from their family. So what you have is the situation of a wrongdoer who would just love not to be associated in the midts of the cong. but does it anyway by just giving lip service to his worship.
I have known individuals in the wt org. who simply worked on their reinstatement just so the family ties would be there and once reinstated never saw them set foot in the kingdom hall again.