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  Would You Ever Go Back To The Witnesses??

  by minimus in

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  every once in a while you hear people say they actually “miss” their old witness friends and or family.

  some would have even stayed in the organization if they became a bit more liberal and open minded.

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  Not just "No," but "Hell no!"
  
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  Circus Assembly Jaw Dropper

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the co got on his hind legs for the public talk and repeated twice "tolerance promotes division".

  then backed it up by saying that if one group march for some right, another group will march for the opposite.. so jws are intolerant and proud of it.

  f@@@k me sideways.. may explain that the baptism tally was 0..

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  Cofty: As usual they confuse unity with uniformity.

  I've come to believe the "confusion," or more appropriately conflation, is deliberate and intentional—at least from the top down.

  A typical example is the constant repetition of the phrase: "Jehovah and his organization" Constantly putting these two separate ideas together causes a linked association in the minds of the believers. Thus, criticizing or disagreeing with "the organization" becomes tantamount or equivalent to criticizing or disagreeing with God.

  Let's review: It's a cult!

  Conflation: the merging of two or more sets of information, texts, ideas, etc. into one.
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  Notes From an Elders Meeting

  by WinstonSmith in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so in this past week i came across a stash of my old elder stuff.

  i've scanned a bunch of notes and agendas, and public talk outlines.. check out an agenda and my notes from the meeting here: https://imgur.com/gallery/qqmyczn.

  i’ve put an explanatory note on each image in imgur.

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  SBF: This is very interesting. I don’t recall seeing elders’ agendas or notes before. This is quite informative.

  I wonder if I have any of my notes. I was an elder for 20 years. Most are mundane, but some might be "informative." I'll take a look.

  FYI: Elders are not required to do anything in particular with their notes from regular elders' meetings, but they are not allowed to keep their notes from Judicial Meetings, which are required to be put in the sealed envelope with all documentation, (at least that's how it was from the late '80s until 2009).
  
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  Notes From an Elders Meeting

  by WinstonSmith in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so in this past week i came across a stash of my old elder stuff.

  i've scanned a bunch of notes and agendas, and public talk outlines.. check out an agenda and my notes from the meeting here: https://imgur.com/gallery/qqmyczn.

  i’ve put an explanatory note on each image in imgur.

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  Welcome back!
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  The New Diary of Winston Smith

  by WinstonSmith in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  we had to go off grid for a time, time and half a time as we thought we had been outed.

  fortunately it was a false alarm, but it was a stressful time.

  i asked for my original diary thread to be deleted in case there could be anything on there to identlfy mrs smith and i. i am always very careful when posting, and am sure there was nothing on there, but felt it best to have it removed in order to be as cautious as a dove.

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  Well look who’s back!
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  Circus Assembly Jaw Dropper

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the co got on his hind legs for the public talk and repeated twice "tolerance promotes division".

  then backed it up by saying that if one group march for some right, another group will march for the opposite.. so jws are intolerant and proud of it.

  f@@@k me sideways.. may explain that the baptism tally was 0..

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  Okay, let’s review: It’s a cult!
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  Which songs give you goosebumps?

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  i don't know if this topic has been covered before - it might 've been.. i also recommend flipper's excellent music thread ('what songs have you been listening to?

  ', or similar).. but, i'd just like to start a thread about certain songs giving me goosebumps.

  y'know, when you hear a song that profoundly effects you in some difficult-to-describe way and the hairs on your arm stand on end even though the room temperature's comfortably warm.. so, which songs give you goosebumps?.

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  St. Matthew's Passion by J.S. Bach, particularly the Part II.
  
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  What Will Happen To President Trump In Your Opinion?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  he has been “impeached “.

  will he be convicted in the senate?

  is he so “damaged goods” that he is ineffectual?

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  There really is a Trump tweet for every occasion!
  

  

  

  

  

  
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  Rec'd a letter from my Dad - need some advice...

  by Fadeaway3pointer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  fader here - last meeting was in autumn 2005. lurker on this site and others.

  not one to get all controversial.. typical situation, pretty much a born in and left the church at age 38 and never looked back.. i'm 53 now, parents getting older - late 70s but very active, dad is still an elder.. parents, in laws, brother and brother-in-law still uber active jws.. my family (wife and 2 adult children) out since 2005.. we have stayed close to our parents - we have treaded religion lightly and have had a pretty good relationship and have kept our personal lives and beliefs/opinions separated from them.

  this was intentional - as we love them and do not want anything to cause shunning since they are getting older and want to be there for them and we respect their beliefs.. got this letter today.

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  FA3Pointer's Dad: Our hearts hurt enough already.

  Fucking JWs!

  They are the ones that do the shunning, destroying family relationships and friendships, and then they have the gall to act like the injured party.

  Their victim mentality keeps them in invisible chains.

  Let's review: It's a cult!
  
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  Rec'd a letter from my Dad - need some advice...

  by Fadeaway3pointer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  fader here - last meeting was in autumn 2005. lurker on this site and others.

  not one to get all controversial.. typical situation, pretty much a born in and left the church at age 38 and never looked back.. i'm 53 now, parents getting older - late 70s but very active, dad is still an elder.. parents, in laws, brother and brother-in-law still uber active jws.. my family (wife and 2 adult children) out since 2005.. we have stayed close to our parents - we have treaded religion lightly and have had a pretty good relationship and have kept our personal lives and beliefs/opinions separated from them.

  this was intentional - as we love them and do not want anything to cause shunning since they are getting older and want to be there for them and we respect their beliefs.. got this letter today.

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  Dear Dad,

  Obviously we do not believe that JW’s have "the truth," but we love you and would never cut you off or shun you because family is important to us.

  We would also never try to lay a guilt trip on you or emotionally blackmail you in an effort to make you conform to our beliefs or make you pretend to believe things which you don’t. - (See Awake!, July 2009, p. 29)

  We hope you will respect our stand on this.

  Sincerely,

  (still) your once beloved child