fader here - last meeting was in autumn 2005. lurker on this site and others.
not one to get all controversial.. typical situation, pretty much a born in and left the church at age 38 and never looked back.. i'm 53 now, parents getting older - late 70s but very active, dad is still an elder.. parents, in laws, brother and brother-in-law still uber active jws.. my family (wife and 2 adult children) out since 2005.. we have stayed close to our parents - we have treaded religion lightly and have had a pretty good relationship and have kept our personal lives and beliefs/opinions separated from them.
this was intentional - as we love them and do not want anything to cause shunning since they are getting older and want to be there for them and we respect their beliefs.. got this letter today.
Dear Dad,
Obviously we do not believe that JW’s have "the truth," but we love you and would never cut you off or shun you because family is important to us.
We would also never try to lay a guilt trip on you or emotionally blackmail you in an effort to make you conform to our beliefs or make you pretend to believe things which you don’t. - (See Awake!, July 2009, p. 29)
We hope you will respect our stand on this.
Sincerely,
(still) your once beloved child
i was just looking at some happy holidays / xmas cards some of us sent each other at the close of 2016 of the cards i received only a few of them have your jwn name on them ,the other `s gave me their real names which i cant reveal here.. however this post is for everybody that is on this forum not just to the few i`m referring to.just to clarify .. and i was going to send greetings to you all this year for 2020.. one was from hawaii.
milwaukee.
berlin.
Happy Holidays from Southern California!
this notice is not official yet and it should be confidential until released thru the proper channels.
a friend of mine told me about a huge elders meeting in southern california.
the subject was the relocation and dissolution of some congregations; it seems that this is the result of some project that has been going on for some time and is going to be implemented right now.. please let me know if this is happening all over the country?.
Hecce, can you please provide more specific details?
Thanks!
do i know anything for certain?yes!when so-called "authority" predict the future - they are wrong.and yet - we always believe them.
examples:________.
2912 mayan calendar apocalypse1910 : halley's cometa worldwide panic ensued, stoked by the media and such newspaper headlines as “comet may kill all earth life, says scientist.”1831 the great disappointmentwilliam miller began preaching in 1831 that the end of the world as we know it would occur with the second coming of jesus christ in 1843. he attracted as many as 100,000 followers who believed that they would be carried off to heaven when the date arrived.
waton: Predictions though, are very difficult; -- particularly about the future.
My new favorite quote of the day!
FYI: The quote investigator attempted to track down the original sources of this quote. The conclusion was:
he has been “impeached “.
will he be convicted in the senate?
is he so “damaged goods” that he is ineffectual?
FedUpJW, The "House of Reprehensibles" is 45% Republican. So yeah!
he has been “impeached “.
will he be convicted in the senate?
is he so “damaged goods” that he is ineffectual?
FedUpJW: Of course 99% of people these days would fail even the most basic of grade school level civics classes.
Says a person that is completely wrong about the process.
Jesus fucking Christ. Read the goddamned US Constitution. It's not that long or hard to understand:
YES: Trump has been impeached.
NO: He has not be tried by the Senate so we don't know yet if he'll be acquitted or convicted (HINT: Mitch McConnell has already publicly stated that there won't be a fair trial. So there's that.)
Deal with it. And please, for chrissakes, stop saying stupid shit that's just plain wrong. It doesn't help!
do i know anything for certain?yes!when so-called "authority" predict the future - they are wrong.and yet - we always believe them.
examples:________.
2912 mayan calendar apocalypse1910 : halley's cometa worldwide panic ensued, stoked by the media and such newspaper headlines as “comet may kill all earth life, says scientist.”1831 the great disappointmentwilliam miller began preaching in 1831 that the end of the world as we know it would occur with the second coming of jesus christ in 1843. he attracted as many as 100,000 followers who believed that they would be carried off to heaven when the date arrived.
Doctor Who: I don't deny climate change. What I deny is the influence man has on it.
How do we know climate change is real and that much of it is due to human activities? That's a great question. As a science teacher, I would encourage you to examine the evidence, of which there is plenty (NASA: "Climate Change: How Do We Know?").
"The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of
it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the
result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia" - IPCC Fifth Assessment Report, Summary for Policymakers, (Emphasis added).
do i know anything for certain?yes!when so-called "authority" predict the future - they are wrong.and yet - we always believe them.
examples:________.
2912 mayan calendar apocalypse1910 : halley's cometa worldwide panic ensued, stoked by the media and such newspaper headlines as “comet may kill all earth life, says scientist.”1831 the great disappointmentwilliam miller began preaching in 1831 that the end of the world as we know it would occur with the second coming of jesus christ in 1843. he attracted as many as 100,000 followers who believed that they would be carried off to heaven when the date arrived.
Interesting thread, Terry.
People are often wrong. That is why scientific methods are so important; they are inherently self-correcting.
Peer review is an essential part of the process, unlike say religious proclamations and edicts which are not allowed to be questioned.
he has been “impeached “.
will he be convicted in the senate?
is he so “damaged goods” that he is ineffectual?
atomant: he cant get impeached ...
a watcher: he will not be impeached ...
Simon: He is not going to be impeached.
Except Trump has been impeached.
The US House of Representatives has the sole authority to impeach a sitting President and they did that on December 18, 2019, when the House of Representatives approved articles of impeachment on charges of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.
The US Senate then holds the trial and has the sole authority to acquit or convict, which of course has not yet occurred.
I understand that the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, is holding on to those articles of impeachment and has not officially sent them to the Senate as she and McConnell engage in a game of political one-upsmanship, but that does not negate the fact that Donald J. Trump has been impeached.
Please, get your facts straight!
the noble fir.
the fir tree stands silently in the corner of our living room: proud, erect, strong.
even unadorned, it is beautiful.
Thanks, Xanthippe! Same back at you.
