Posts by TonusOH

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Unpopular opinion

by Judgerussellford in

so i've asked this question to witnesses in the past (super no no question to ask by the way but hilarious responses) to bosses and coworkers, and random people of different faiths and i'm curious to know how mixed of a response this community will give.

bible believers or not your oppinion is very welcome.

technically according to scripture we are gods sons.

TonusOH

That being said, does the Devil himself have to die after Armageddon?

That depends on how you perceive the nature of god. Is god unable to act against his nature, so that he must take certain actions in order to remain true to himself? Or is he free to go off-script if he so wishes? The Biblical god has no equal in power and he cannot be brought to account, so the only person who could stay his hand is himself.

We know that god was not a stickler to the letter of the law, allowing humans to break the rules sometimes and not face punishment. So it seems as if he understands that rigid adherence to rules is not always the right way to act. If this is the case, then the Devil would not have to die at Armageddon. God can forgive him and let him live, without violating his own nature. I suppose he would need a very good reason for doing that, but it can happen.

As a non-believer, I can look at the issue from that angle. When I was a JW, I would have said that there was no way that Jehovah would allow the Devil to live, because Satan had directly challenged God's rule and caused so much suffering. And to be honest, just because God is willing to bend the rules for the sake of justice doesn't mean he would find any reason to spare the Devil. And if the Devil was unrepentant, it would make no sense to forgive him, instead of putting him out of everyone's misery.

That being said, we are left to wonder why God didn't just do that from the very start and save us the thousands of years of suffering and grief.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

TonusOH

You just need to use your imagination. The war in heaven starts on July 28, after Satan interferes in Earth matters one time too many (sorry, Archduke Ferdinand!) and Yahweh has gotten a bit soft and lazy, so he lets the battle go on way too long. Finally, in early October god decides enough is enough- he snaps his fingers and WHOOSH! Satan and his demons fall to Earth. Then god presses his Easy button and gets back to watching movies.

I mean, I'm no Joseph Smith, but that's not such a bad interpretation, is it?

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2034 - A Future History of Jehovah's Witnesses

by slimboyfat in

i don't know what i am talking about... read this post at your peril.

back in the 1960s there was, seemingly, a brief period of relaxation in authoritarianism among jehovah's witnesses.

those who have read raymond franz's 'crisis of conscience' will have heard the story about dan sydlik's remark about the need to 'open some windows to let some air in here'.

TonusOH

If you are an organization pinning its hopes on "there must be at least one person still alive who was around in 1914" then the word 'desperate' just isn't enough. I guess that in 2035, the argument will be "advances in medicine have added ten... no! Twenty years to the average lifespan... that 120-year-old might make it to 140! Yes, 2054 is the real end date! And, fortuitously, I'll either be dead or senile by then, and someone else will need to make that annoying year work..."

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The Genesis 3:15 woman.

by Fisherman in

genesis 3:15 says that the woman’s seed would be in enmity with the serpent’s seed.

although the bible reveals that the woman’s seed is jesus and christians that go to heaven with christ, it does not identify the woman directly.

we at jw believe that the woman is symbolic.

TonusOH

I don't remember for sure, but she represented god's spiritual organization in its entirety? Which is how her seed could be Jesus.

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Prediction of how Watchtower going to be in 5 Years.

by Foolednomore in

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i can see it that watchtower will become an online/tv based group with just con-vention hall$.. field service would be letter writing and phone preaching, door to door is done.. watchtower will have pay to view programs and still ask for donations after all that.. zoom meetings are here to stay.

kingdumb halls will be sold off except for con-vention venues, or need for new ones$.. df'ing will continue.

the craziness will continue.

TonusOH

All things considered, the Ramapo project is a Hail Mary.

The video I saw about the Ramapo site made it look like a very large and expansive campus. It seemed excessive for making the modest videos they create, which are usually single-set and single-camera setups with basic lighting. People create videos of that quality all the time in their bedroom or den. Either they are doing better financially than they let on, or they are tragically inept and managing money, or they've just stopped caring.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

I love how that second message cuts off at just the right spot: "apologise this is one ho."

It makes me think that the rest of the message was "but that's okay, she's 20 or older."

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

The thing that stands out from the CoC bootleg thing is his insistence that he hadn't done anything wrong, and then the litany of excuses for why it wasn't so bad that he did something wrong. No, he said, he hadn't violated copyright. Well, okay, he violated copyright, but why aren't you going after every other copyright violator first? Sure, he violated copyright, but he didn't drown any puppies, did he?

It's a lot like his excuses and misdirection when he decided to confess that he cheated on his wife with hookers. Sure, he did something immoral, but it's not your business. Okay, he did something immoral, but he didn't kill anyone. Fine, he did something immoral, but you're not perfect either!

And once I'm done making all of those excuses, remember to watch my next video, where I'll judge a GB member for buying liquor!

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

I think someone here already said that Lloyd will probably make videos based on phoned-in stories people have already left (long ago) on his recorder for him.

Wasn't there a porn magazine that used to do something similar? They'd recreate scenarios from people's "real-life" letters that were sent in. Eh, probably not related at all...

As for his trip to help Ukraine refugees, I say good for him. It's sad that he seemed to use it as a publicity stunt, but that means a few more people got help in a time of crisis. Maybe he can find more such opportunities to promote himself and do some good as a sort of by-product. Just, please god... don't find a way for him to screw this up, too.

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Jesus is Michael the Archangel

by Fisherman in

only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

“now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

TonusOH

It is not outright defined in the Bible.

This is a recurring issue with the Bible, which has led to countless denominations that differ on points both major and minor. This has led, over the centuries, to occasional violence and brutality as people who seek to serve the same god nonetheless attack and brutalize one another. You'd think that a being as capable and immensely intelligent as Yahweh would have foreseen this and made the book much clear and direct, so as to avoid having so many dedicated people massacring one another, when they otherwise would have embraced in brotherhood.

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A JW prophecy VISIBLY failing!

by BoogerMan in

w85 7/1 p. 21 par.

16 - an increasing “great crowd...out of all nations” are flocking to the org jehovah’s worship.

the brooklyn pharisees assured the sheeple for decades that isaiah 2:2, micah 4:1-3, & haggai 2:7 were prophetically.

TonusOH

I'm glad they have grown so fast! That means that only about 99.999% of humanity will die at Armageddon.