Posts by TonusOH

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

In fact, IS there even an exjw community?

It depends on how you define the term.

We do tend to use the term "community" to describe a group of people with a common interest or trait. I'm an atheist, so I belong to the "atheist community." I'm an exJW, so I belong to the "exJW community." If I take up guitar playing, I suppose I'll become part of the "guitar-playing community," which is necessarily a subset of the "music community."

But I think of a community as something you help to form or join and become an active part of. I guess you could say I am a part of the community that is this message board, since I joined it and take part in discussions here. But I'm not active in any other part of the "exJW community." So am I a part of it? Or am I just an exJW? I think it's the latter. Under this definition, there is no such thing as an overarching exJW community. Just exJWs, some of who form small communities.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Well there you go, Lloyd is bringing up pedophilia when nobody is talking about it. Why would he randomly do that?

It isn't random. It is his attempt to re-frame the controversy he is mired in. He wants to ignore the legit criticism and pretend that the only issue is that people are accusing him of CSA and that the accusations are false. He can then frame it as a particularly nasty bullying campaign.

The problem is that he is the person who told the world that he was paying for whores because his wife just isn't enough to keep his uncontrollable penis satisfied. He is the one who keeps awkwardly insisting that everything he did was with consenting adults who are all over 20 years old, which makes him sound like a creep. He's the one who spent years treating people like trash and acting like an entitled jerk, which is why so many people are openly enjoying his downfall.

And he's the one who continues to shit on fence-sitters who are questioning whether or not he deserves their support. On the bright side, at least he is making their decision a lot easier to reach.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Morality is fluid

I don't even think that's possible, given the context of how morality is developed.

But besides that, 'I don't care what he does, as long as it's not illegal' ignores one fact: what he did was illegal. And some of these comments appear to be from people who think he's single and unattached. Or maybe they don't care that he cheated on his wife... which is the sort of thing you might believe, if you claim that morality is fluid.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Evans: ...I'm really struggling to understand your logic in how apologies work and should be dispensed.

Yeah, that's been pretty obvious from the beginning, Lloyd.

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Bethelite viewers: Ever thought of this?

by BoogerMan in

in the nwt, revelation 5:10 is worded thus: “and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our god, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”.

however, in the original greek, (kingdom interlinear translation) it is more accurately translated as, “and you made them to the god of us kingdom and priests, and they are reigning upon the earth.” (several scriptures validate the location as being earth).

the wording of 1 peter 2:9, 10 in the nwt confirms the accuracy of the k.i.t.

TonusOH

I always found it interesting that they were willing to publish the interlinear version, considering that it would point out a lot of places where their interpretation seemed at odds with the original text. It is a testament to how firmly they control the flock- they really never worried that people would make a big deal out of it, so they could confidently bully or DF the small number who might try.

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Oct 8 1966 Awake! PDF-- pushes 1975 date

by cabasilas in

details about how to download the october 8, 1966 awake!

magazine pdf will appear at the end of this post.

background.

TonusOH

From the most reliable investigations of Bible chronology

Just a reminder: someone wrote that with a straight face.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

That was one of the stranger parts of the video, watching Evans try to chastise a guy who advised him to stop acting like a massive douchebag. In Evans's world, it is a rare husband indeed who manages not to buy sex every few weeks for years on end.

Saintly Brandon's wife frequently counts her blessings. "All of my lady friends are so jealous! Their men just run about, letting their penises make all of the decisions. But not my Brandon! His self-control is legendary! Why, just the other day he managed to maintain complete and utter mastery over his penis, thus ensuring an uneventful trip to the supermarket. I pinch myself all the time to remind myself that it's real... and because my saint of a husband wouldn't dream of pinching me without written consent. I really don't deserve him!"

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Does anyone have a photo copy they can share of a TMS topic?

by jojorabbit in

i am looking for a tms that was published in the early 70s that said many have sold homes to go where the need was great, this is a fine way to spend ones time in the last days.

i am trying to remember how it was said to the best of my knowledge but this is close.

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TonusOH

If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.

There you go, an example of an absolute statement regarding the end. If you are a young person, it is a FACT that you will NEVER grow old. That was over 50 years ago.

And in case anyone wants to quibble over how to define "young person" or "grow old", keep in mind that they go on to say that even six or eight years might be all that is left. This is the same organization that encouraged young people not to marry or have children in the late 1930s. Is it long enough to point out how wrong and awful that was?

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Does anyone have a photo copy they can share of a TMS topic?

by jojorabbit in

i am looking for a tms that was published in the early 70s that said many have sold homes to go where the need was great, this is a fine way to spend ones time in the last days.

i am trying to remember how it was said to the best of my knowledge but this is close.

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TonusOH

One of my relatives vehemently denies that the watchtower society said anything about 1975.

My mother insists that she understood this to be the case from very early on, and once told me that she corrected the woman giving her the Bible study when she was just starting. I am sure she believes that this is what happened now, but I don't believe it for a moment. I think she joined because she thought it was going to happen and figured that Armageddon would be a quick ticket out of a dreary life she had trapped herself in.

When 1975 came and went and nothing happened, she accepted the company line and kept waiting for the end, since it was "very close." Almost 50 years later, she's still convinced that it will come any day now. She's a very smart and capable person, who squandered her talent and ability because she was waiting for something better to come along.

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Verifying The Claim The IBSA ,not JW ,were approved by Jehovah God / Christ Jesus as God`s Chosen People in 1919 ??

by smiddy3 in

how do they verify this claim,if they can and how easy do we debunk this claim if we can ?.

what is needed to verify a claim made by anyone or an organization ?.

i`m interested in what you have to say about this ..

TonusOH

I don't see how it is possible to verify the claim that God made a choice/decision at any time. That's why it's so common for religious groups to point at some event, link it to a handful of scattered verses in a book/poem, and claim that it means something.

It's more possible to check claims and see how accurate they are (or aren't).

The JWs claim that God blessed their organization in 1919, with the implication being that after a period where they were tested, they were suddenly and inexplicably released from prison, with their long sentences commuted as if by a miracle. But it seems that their release in 1919 was engineered when Rutherford agreed to remove certain pages/passages from one of his books, which were highly critical of the Catholic Church.

If the latter is the case (I don't remember where I read about it), then there is nothing miraculous or divine about their release from prison in 1919. They simply cut a deal and then pretended that it didn't happen the way it did. That doesn't strike me as the kind of thing a group actually blessed by God would have done.