Posts by TonusOH

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20 Things I Don't Understand about Jehovah's Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

i don’t understand how jehovah’s witnesses can rightly claim:.

that less than 150,000 faithful christians existed prior to the 20th century....when allegedly millions were martyred during the first 3 centuries of the common era alone.

unique ability to interpret scripture...when interpretation of prophecy has been 100% wrong for over 130 years.. .

TonusOH

Fisherman: JW have erred in interpreting the year of the great tribulation but not in interpreting prophecy or scriptures relating to the time of the end

But they did get those dates wrong. Wasn't it at the 1922 convention that Rutherford was still pushing the relevance of dates like 1799, 1844, and 1874? Didn't Russell believe that 1914 would be the end of mankind's rule, and that Christ had taken his heavenly throne in 1874?

If Russell originally stated that 1914 was the actual end of the old world, then the present claim that he always identified it as the year of Christ's heavenly coronation is false. It is a lie that is adhered to in order to support a narrative history that is itself a lie. I don't see how that can be reconciled.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Diogenesister: do you think he would attempt to have it removed if there were no commentary around it?

I think he will take every action he can against anything that is uploaded. Most of what he tries will be useless aside from whatever value it has as bullying tactics. A copyright claim might work, though remember that copyright is meant to protect a work from being monetized by others or preventing the copyright owner from monetizing the work. So it's possible that he would not have a sufficient claim to get it taken down. But many websites will do so anyway, out of an overabundance of caution.

And besides, the full video is a bit of a slog. Any of the commentary videos already out there have the salient points covered, and links to them would be more useful for information purposes. But I'd ask first, since linking them could make them targets of renewed harassment by Evans's more rabid followers.

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Movies that used the term Jehovah Watchtower or Witnesses!

by Witness 007 in

indiana jones 3...we had elders going to this movie.

life of brian stoning people who say jehovah...so funny!

even "supergirl" where someone knocks on the door of the secret hideout and the villain says "if that's those damn jehovahs witnesses again!

TonusOH

In Coming to America, John Amos's character gets rid of one of his daughter's suitors who knocked at their front door and --not wanting her to know who it was-- claims it was JWs.

I believe that in the original version of Frankenstein, one of the people in the first scene makes a reference to Jehovah, though obviously not to the JWs, who would have only adopted the name around that time.

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20 Things I Don't Understand about Jehovah's Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

i don’t understand how jehovah’s witnesses can rightly claim:.

that less than 150,000 faithful christians existed prior to the 20th century....when allegedly millions were martyred during the first 3 centuries of the common era alone.

unique ability to interpret scripture...when interpretation of prophecy has been 100% wrong for over 130 years.. .

TonusOH

Vanderhoven7: unique ability to interpret scripture...when interpretation of prophecy has been 100% wrong for over 130 years.

You have to admit... that's quite unique.

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Investment departments in Bethel

by Mikejw in

i was a bethelite in london for many years then got reassigned to the field and then went on brd from the start of chelmsford right upto covid.. during my years at the branch i was sometimes asked to be on a team who went to homes donated to the branch when some older one died.. this happenes an awful lot, everything is left to the branch in the will.

the unbelieving family is furious they didn’t get left anything and sometimes they tried to get their elderly relatives possessions and there was a legal battle .

but in the end a team of us would go and empty the property and another team would clean it up and put it on the market to sell it for the worldwide work.. all the possessions were sorted into trash or possibly valuable .

TonusOH

Mikejw: If you look at pictures of them when they were younger elders they never wore them, but once you get to a certain level a bit like the degrees of masons you get certain rings.

If you hold the rings next to a fire, does an ancient inscription appear on them?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

TonusOH

Toblerone5: On other News, the Patrons are up to 469 ?

Patreon most likely updates the number of people joining in real time (ie, on a daily basis) but updates the number of people who leave at the end of the specific support term. If your page is set up to accept monthly subs, then the number of people who leave probably isn't updated until the end of the month, which is when their subscription would expire.

So it's not unusual for the numbers to rise a few times over the course of a month, then get updated at the end to reflect the people who ended their support. If you follow the numbers every day or week, you might be frustrated to find them climbing until month's end. I think the better way to look at it is the long term pattern, which in his case shows a significant drop since the beginning of the year.

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An aspect of dealing with my elderly, PIMI, Father

by joe134cd in

for a bit of back ground.

i’m a full blown pomo apostate.

nothing would please me more to see wt burn to the ground.

TonusOH

Have I sold myself out? I probably have. Or am i playing the game to win, with regards to caring for my dad.

Or you're a decent person in a difficult position and making the best of it, putting your consideration for your father above your own. My situation with my mother is similar. I think the only reason there have been no attempts to contact me is out of concern for what it would do to her if I was DF'ed. I'm fine with that, and if they decide to wait it out for her sake, it's something that I appreciate. Even knowing how she would act towards me if I was DF'ed. She's my mother, you know?

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3 years in the making

by Judgerussellford in

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thursday while i was at work, a new elder stopped by the house (almost 3 years after fading) to encourage us to go back to meetings.

said everyone misses us.

if you did, why not stop by and say hi every now and then?

TonusOH

I'd rather spend my time treating them they way I wanted to be treated

That is why I wouldn't agree to a shepherding visit for myself. I would respect someone's decision to be left alone and to walk away on their terms. The JWs cannot, as they see their efforts as lifesaving attempts. But I am not required to humor them, especially when I know what they will do once they know I have no interest of returning. I can, however, leave them alone and I expect the same courtesy in return. If they cannot manage that, I feel no obligation towards them and would not feel guilty if I said no thank you, I do not wish to meet, you may take whatever action you deem necessary.

But I also respect each person's desire to handle such a stressful situation in a manner that suits them. Best of luck with the visit, I hope it goes as you wish for it to.

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Nicholas King at a gay bar

by neat blue dog in

seriously, when will this guy come out of the jws, and out of the closet?.

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TonusOH

They tend to be lenient with famous/wealthy people. Michael Jackson disassociated himself, if I am not mistaken. Chet Lemon was a major league baseball player who, as far as I know, remained a JW during a 16-year career. Serena and Venus Williams are still JWs, aren't they? I bet they're crushed to learn that door-to-door witnessing will resume in September.

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Nicholas King at a gay bar

by neat blue dog in

seriously, when will this guy come out of the jws, and out of the closet?.

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TonusOH

You can never tell who will get in or why. Prince did it to fulfill his mother's dying wish. There's a guy whose life did not quite fit into JW culture.