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  Any one new from britian?

  by sleepy in

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  hi i haven't been on here for a year or two , any new people from britian?

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  sleepy

  Hi i haven't been on here for a year or two , any new people from britian?
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  Do you believe in free will?

  by sleepy in

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  do you believe in free will?and if you do can you explain how it works?.

  i can't see how free will could work.our motivation for doing things good or bad seems to come from a mixture of genes and enviroment, and through a long and complicted process cause us to perform all the actions we experience in life.when we feel a prompting to do something ,eat sleep have sex etc, this is accomplished by our body using chemicals in our bodies to give us a feeling that we then act upon.the degree to which these chemicals prompt us is related to genetic makeup and environment.. so some people have a bigger desire to eat than others because they lack the chemical stimulation that tells them to stop eating.or some will eat less (often when ill) because the chemicals that prompt you to eat are lacking.in normal life lots of over factors will be involved to like say an important phonecall at lunch time .if your brain feels the information from that call is important enough it will send out different chemicals that will cause you to attend to that situation first if serious enought.. knowledge can modify how our bodies react to certain situations, for example a child may see an icecream van and run into the road because his body has yet to learn of the danger of running into a road.when taught how foolish this by a nasty experience or hopefully , taught about the dangers by its parents, then the body will send out a meesage to look at the road first.. our bodies tell us which ideas are good and bad according to the information it holds and we react accordingly.we can fight desires but the will to do so is caused by other desires which are prompted by the body.. to have true free will neither our genes or enviroment could effect what we decide to do.. we have to be able to do things irespective of what promting we recive from our bodies or what information we have learnt and has thus modified our bodies response.. maybe there are but i can not think of any situation where or actions or reactions can not be explianed by genes mixed with environment (often in a very complicated way).nor can i understand how free will could work,unless free will is just a random action which could not be free will in the true sense.. if there is no free will then if there were a god and we are judged on what we do then this is entirely unfair as we really have little say in what we do in life.

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  sleepy

  Due to my apparent lack of freewill I was just forced to post this.
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  Do you believe in free will?

  by sleepy in

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  do you believe in free will?and if you do can you explain how it works?.

  i can't see how free will could work.our motivation for doing things good or bad seems to come from a mixture of genes and enviroment, and through a long and complicted process cause us to perform all the actions we experience in life.when we feel a prompting to do something ,eat sleep have sex etc, this is accomplished by our body using chemicals in our bodies to give us a feeling that we then act upon.the degree to which these chemicals prompt us is related to genetic makeup and environment.. so some people have a bigger desire to eat than others because they lack the chemical stimulation that tells them to stop eating.or some will eat less (often when ill) because the chemicals that prompt you to eat are lacking.in normal life lots of over factors will be involved to like say an important phonecall at lunch time .if your brain feels the information from that call is important enough it will send out different chemicals that will cause you to attend to that situation first if serious enought.. knowledge can modify how our bodies react to certain situations, for example a child may see an icecream van and run into the road because his body has yet to learn of the danger of running into a road.when taught how foolish this by a nasty experience or hopefully , taught about the dangers by its parents, then the body will send out a meesage to look at the road first.. our bodies tell us which ideas are good and bad according to the information it holds and we react accordingly.we can fight desires but the will to do so is caused by other desires which are prompted by the body.. to have true free will neither our genes or enviroment could effect what we decide to do.. we have to be able to do things irespective of what promting we recive from our bodies or what information we have learnt and has thus modified our bodies response.. maybe there are but i can not think of any situation where or actions or reactions can not be explianed by genes mixed with environment (often in a very complicated way).nor can i understand how free will could work,unless free will is just a random action which could not be free will in the true sense.. if there is no free will then if there were a god and we are judged on what we do then this is entirely unfair as we really have little say in what we do in life.

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  Most in the free will camp mention the "I" that thinks and chooses, as proof of free will.

  But the "I" is what is in question .The origins of a thought process.

  There is often a fundermental missunderstanding that believes that gentic programming and environment would just result in basic behaviour patterns and that being able to change your mind or way of life is the result of free will.But it is way more complex than this.

  The motivating forces that make you change your mind are what is in question.Is there a self that can select or are these things selected for the "I" or "you" and made to feel like a self ?

  These motivating forces can be the result of a complex mix of genetic makeup and environment, you would not be able to tell that your mind was selecting for you.

  For example,You could be brought up a witness and all your family and friends could be witnesses.You then accidently read some information that puts a doubt in your mind.This doubt producess chemical reaction that motivates you to examine further.The knowledge you recive now modifies you bodies response to the societies publications and meetings, and it is no longer receptive.Your brain now motivates you to leave the organistaion because the rewards are greater than the losses or you are genetically programmed is such a way as you cannot lead a life you believe is a lie even if the result are in a worse quality of life.

  You may feel you changed your mind , but all these actions can be explained in such a deterministic way, with now mysterious "self" needed.
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  Are You Fading, In, Out or Not Sure?

  by minimus in

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  i'm interested to know which category we are in.

  i am fading fast and no longer reporting time or going to meetings.

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  Thats the slowest fast fade I've ever seen, you've been on here for years..
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  Do you believe in free will?

  by sleepy in

  1. jw
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  do you believe in free will?and if you do can you explain how it works?.

  i can't see how free will could work.our motivation for doing things good or bad seems to come from a mixture of genes and enviroment, and through a long and complicted process cause us to perform all the actions we experience in life.when we feel a prompting to do something ,eat sleep have sex etc, this is accomplished by our body using chemicals in our bodies to give us a feeling that we then act upon.the degree to which these chemicals prompt us is related to genetic makeup and environment.. so some people have a bigger desire to eat than others because they lack the chemical stimulation that tells them to stop eating.or some will eat less (often when ill) because the chemicals that prompt you to eat are lacking.in normal life lots of over factors will be involved to like say an important phonecall at lunch time .if your brain feels the information from that call is important enough it will send out different chemicals that will cause you to attend to that situation first if serious enought.. knowledge can modify how our bodies react to certain situations, for example a child may see an icecream van and run into the road because his body has yet to learn of the danger of running into a road.when taught how foolish this by a nasty experience or hopefully , taught about the dangers by its parents, then the body will send out a meesage to look at the road first.. our bodies tell us which ideas are good and bad according to the information it holds and we react accordingly.we can fight desires but the will to do so is caused by other desires which are prompted by the body.. to have true free will neither our genes or enviroment could effect what we decide to do.. we have to be able to do things irespective of what promting we recive from our bodies or what information we have learnt and has thus modified our bodies response.. maybe there are but i can not think of any situation where or actions or reactions can not be explianed by genes mixed with environment (often in a very complicated way).nor can i understand how free will could work,unless free will is just a random action which could not be free will in the true sense.. if there is no free will then if there were a god and we are judged on what we do then this is entirely unfair as we really have little say in what we do in life.

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  sleepy

  Do you believe in free will?And if you do can you explain how it works?

  I can't see how free will could work.Our motivation for doing things good or bad seems to come from a mixture of genes and enviroment, and through a long and complicted process cause us to perform all the actions we experience in life.When we feel a prompting to do something ,eat sleep have sex etc, this is accomplished by our body using chemicals in our bodies to give us a feeling that we then act upon.The degree to which these chemicals prompt us is related to genetic makeup and environment.

  So some people have a bigger desire to eat than others because they lack the chemical stimulation that tells them to stop eating.Or some will eat less (often when ill) because the chemicals that prompt you to eat are lacking.In normal life lots of over factors will be involved to like say an important phonecall at lunch time .If your brain feels the information from that call is important enough it will send out different chemicals that will cause you to attend to that situation first if serious enought.

  Knowledge can modify how our bodies react to certain situations, for example a child may see an icecream van and run into the road because his body has yet to learn of the danger of running into a road.When taught how foolish this by a nasty experience or hopefully , taught about the dangers by its parents, then the body will send out a meesage to look at the road first.

  Our bodies tell us which ideas are good and bad according to the information it holds and we react accordingly.We can fight desires but the will to do so is caused by other desires which are prompted by the body.

  To have true free will neither our genes or enviroment could effect what we decide to do.

  We have to be able to do things irespective of what promting we recive from our bodies or what information we have learnt and has thus modified our bodies response.

  Maybe there are but I can not think of any situation where or actions or reactions can not be explianed by genes mixed with environment (often in a very complicated way).Nor can I understand how free will could work,unless free will is just a random action which could not be free will in the true sense.

  If there is no free will then if there were a God and we are judged on what we do then this is entirely unfair as we really have little say in what we do in life.
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  Yet another example of how silly the Bible is...

  by Abaddon in

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  okay, let's go along with the flood story for a moment, to the point where noah exits the ark.. here we have noah, with two of each animal and seven of the clean animals; maybe a few dozen animals that were not essential to the future survival of the species.. what does god do?.

  tells noah he can eat animals now.. are you telling me an all-wise, all-knowing god isn't capable of better planning than that?

  which strikes you as more likely?

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  sleepy

  "If an angel sins, it is because he meant it."

  I belive this is the source of the problem, how can any being sin without the drives or urges to do so.Can you or an angel(if they exist) just do something even if there is no desire to do so?

  If gods creatures can just flip at anytime and say lets do this or that without any motivating urge then we are all potentially compleatly unstable and capable of any crime or goodness at random.

  Doesn't that make god a bad designer?
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  Why did it take so long to work it out?

  by sleepy in

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  assuming you were brought up as a witness or converted for at least a few years , why do you think it takes so long to work out its not true?.

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  Assuming you were brought up as a witness or converted for at least a few years , why do you think it takes so long to work out its not true?
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  Top ten internet sites

  by sleepy in

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  anyone recommend some good internet sites, they can be about anything just need to be interesting(for something good to read) and well presented.

  (for my graphic design research)

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  Anyone recommend some good internet sites, they can be about anything just need to be interesting(for something good to read) and well presented.(for my graphic design research)
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  Poll - What kind of Ancient People are YOU???

  by LittleToe in

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  are you: a minority group called "jew" a majority group called "greek" a minority group called "christian"

  to believe in christ, the jews asked for a powerful sign, before they would believe.. to believe in christ, the greeks appealed to logic and wisdom, before they would believe.. to believe in christ, the christians simply believed, and treated it as a personal calling.. which category do you believe you fall into 1, 2 or 3?.

  .. 1cor.1:22-25 - the message.

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  sleepy

  They're hanging off.Just started college this week, doing graphic design.
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  Poll - What kind of Ancient People are YOU???

  by LittleToe in

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  are you: a minority group called "jew" a majority group called "greek" a minority group called "christian"

  to believe in christ, the jews asked for a powerful sign, before they would believe.. to believe in christ, the greeks appealed to logic and wisdom, before they would believe.. to believe in christ, the christians simply believed, and treated it as a personal calling.. which category do you believe you fall into 1, 2 or 3?.

  .. 1cor.1:22-25 - the message.

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  sleepy

  Sleepy's Greeky.