It is interesting. I was thinking something similar, because it seems the general concensus is that the GB has NO PROBLEM admitting when they are wrong. That is why they freely change a traching, and don't just keep it status quo. I was wondering why that specific thought prevails, even though it just doesn't seem accurate, minus the 1980 quote. Hey......its something.....I guess.
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Has the WT ever apologized for changing their stance on something?
by Left in the Cold ini'm in the middle of reading coc.
it's very eye opening.
but on thinking about how the gb finally changed their stance on allowing civil service instead of prison when a christian was face with military service, it makes me wonder if the wt ever apologizes for any reversal of beliefs it imposes?
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Were you Stalked or Chased After Once you Exited the JW's by Elders ?
by flipper ini tried to fade off the map by moving 30 miles initially in 2004 after i exited in late 2003 .
the first several years they didn't bother me.
i ran into a elder from my former congregation in late 2005 in an antique store - he tried telling me i was wrong for stopping attending meetings.
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problemaddict
Honestly, I have a harrasment and slander story, but it would be too obvious who I am if someone was lurking. Plus that aharrasment was when I was still towing the company line for the most part. I think my current mind state has been a long time coming without neccesarily knowing. It all started when i was serving over seas if you can believe it.
To be honest, the elders have basically left me alone. A couple came by to visit and have dinner. We didn't really go there, and then at the end of the night asked me what I was having an issue with. I was honest to the extend I felt would not put me in a compromising situation. He was generally pretty realisitc and reasonable. He was cussing trying to show he is "cool" I guess. Very odd behavior. Still thoguht I should go to meetings more and be patient while Jehovah works it out, but basically saw my point on some issues. So pretty easy.
Got a call from a brother just to say hello. I called him back and said hi. How are you, hows the wife etc... He just said they thought of me and hoped I was ok. I told him I was fine and I appreciated being thought of. He said he would probably continue to call to check up on me and that he loved me. I thanked him, and said he is always welcome to call.
I am fairly well known in my area, have been in two halls locally (one I left in a pretty high profile way), and I am approaching the dreaded 6 month mark. So far, so good. Nobody has bothered me, and I am not the type to self hari-kari.
One thing I wish in reading some of these, is that you all would not have allowed yourselves to be disfellowshipped. You can do more good if they don't get to do that to you, and you can fight it legally, and in the US, probably even for free if you have to. I know you get fed up, but I'll be damned if anyone will be allowed to harm my public reputation that way.
Anyone know how I can get my records from the branch here in the USA? Is there a law in particular I can run past my attorney? Anyone had any success?
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Is The "Evil Slave Class" Still Viewed As JWs Have Taught Over The Years?
by minimus inwith the new understanding of the "fds" , is the previous material regarding the "evil slave class" still current?.
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Evil slave teaching isn't affected by the new FDS "understanding". It was post 1919 anyways. So nope, nothing new here.
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How to handle it when a JW gives you "counsel" about some stupid crap
by Terry inthere is a catch-22 that can trip you up at the local kingdom hall.. .
if you receive "counsel" from an elder about any behavior at all and you "resist" or question the counsel you can be accused of having a "spirit of rebellion".. .
so, you have to either shut up and comply (with even the most ludicrous and ill-founded suggestions) or answer back and be chastised and "marked".. .
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Its always been a long standing fun thing for when someone brings somethign to my attention, to suggest I am sorry that I stumbled them. NOBODY admits to being stumbled, and then i ask them why they are sharing their opinion since Matew 18 is only suggested when someone has been stumbled. Once they say that others COULD BE stumbled, I ask them who and why. I then reask them if they are sure they have not been stumbled.
Works from CO's to publishers. I actually called some elders on the mat for not following mathew 18 when someone said something about me to them that bothered them. The CO in the room just said..."well when its serious enough.....the elders have to get involved". I looked at him int he face, and told him to show me the scripture that supports the idea you don't have to follow Matthew 18 if someone subjectively deems it to be "serious".
That was the begining of the end for me.
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talked to wife about new light!
by unstopableravens ini showed my wife the new light, it did not go over good.
i started with all the publications and asked her three questions 1 who is the fds 2when did they start 3 when did they get appointed over "all the belongings"?
using the recent publications she said 1 the fds is 144000 2 they started in the 1st centry 3 they were over all belongings in 1919. then i showed her the annual meeting report on the jw.org and went over each point.
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Honestly bro, she is upset at you because of where she is at, but you also did actually humiliate her. That was definitly not something that would have gone well, even if she was inclined to see things your way from the beginning. My wife is still in and active, and she feels the same way I do about many things. But her entire culture is tied up in the religion. Her family and friends are good people. So despite that fact she can see things my way, its sad for her to not have me with her. It has little to do with my decision, and more about her fond memories of service the hall, her idea of family serving God together.
Why not pick a "neutral" subject to have a study with her and your kid on, and let her see for herself you are not a raving lunatic. And I agree you should apologize to her for setting her up.
After just being here for a week, I realize EVERYTHING goes back to wether the GB is being USED BY JEHOVAH. As long as they believe that, any adjustment of teaching, wacky revelation of the past, or future change, doesn't mean much.
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does anyone feel messed up sexually because of being brought up as jw? like you have missed out, etc?
by johnjones3210 inhiya,.
i'm new to this forum but just wanted to talk to somebody about this.. i was brought up as a jw and left just over a year ago.
i'm now 26 and feel messed up sexually.
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problemaddict
Hey man. You are very young to think is too late. Plus, I doubt you are as "messed up" as you think you are. PM me if you want to talk about anything private, but honestly bro, I am not THAT far from your age, and happily married with a fantastic sex life.
Don't give up on yourself yet. The shame thing, it goes away.
What brings you to the board....and welcome!
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Moses comparrisons....research help
by problemaddict incedars posting regarding the article "what kind of spirit do you show?
" got me thinking about something.
the paragraph regarding the rebellion of korah against moses, is of course not a new comparrison.
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Thanks. I'll check it out after work. I don't suppose it has any of the WT articles making those tacit comparrisons does it?
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The Judicial Committee Gossiping Reach, Two or Four Counties? Three!
by ÁrbolesdeArabia inhow far does the "barking chain" of gossip spread from one kingdom hall's judicial committee to another kingdom hall?
the record to my personal knowledge (three counties away 100 miles.
)is i had a brother call me and ask if "brother so-and-so was going to be disfellowshiped on thursday night", he heard it from our cobe.
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I remember being 19 and going to the elders with a girl from another hall who....er....I....had....ummmm...done things with?
Anywhoooo. We both wanted to have a clean conscience and went to the elders. I think she spoke to her mother and was worried she would not get to see her little brother if she didn't get right. So we both got disfellowshipped (and then the sex really started).
But the point is that the elders i went to (one in particular), went out of their way NOT to ask prying questions. They kind of understood what happened, adn that it happened more than once, and that was it. From that point on we didn't discuss it, and it was more about helping me and how I felt etc.. Regardless of how we feel about disfellowsipping, it was the way things were SUPPOSED to be done, and the guys didn't get in my buisness (anymore than the JC situation already does of course).
My very attractive girlfriend at the time however, was HUMILIATED by the guys in her comittee, which included the local substitute CO. Out of his busy schedule he found time to question her on frequency, posisions, how many times was it "oral", and a host of other nonsense.
I was literally in disbelief. I told my elders about it expecting them to be angry, but I was naive enough to think him being a sub CO didn't matter.
We were well known in the area. Everyone heard pretty fast.
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problemaddict
Zeb,
You have not "joined" anything here. If you do not want to be a part of the community, just don't post. Problem solved. Nobody will use your private information or the e mail you signed on with.
Happy trails.
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Moses comparrisons....research help
by problemaddict incedars posting regarding the article "what kind of spirit do you show?
" got me thinking about something.
the paragraph regarding the rebellion of korah against moses, is of course not a new comparrison.
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Wow. I guess more dues need to be paid by yours truely to get some love?