Posts by Libby

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Greenlees, Chapman and Chitty

by Libby in

so after being rudely awakened by a cat fight outside (it's 3am here in the uk) and then proceeding to go outside to rescue my cats from the neighbourhood tom....... i'm now laying wide awake trying to make sense of jw "truth".

(it's all my mind does these days, the lights gone on and won't turn off).

anyway i found myself reading about the gb and came across these fellows , greenlees, chapman and chitty.

Libby

@Waton thanks for taking the time to make it clearer for me.

So you met these characters? What was your role and experience in the organisation? I hope you don't think I'm rude in asking and I understand if you'd rather not say.

I've managed to find the first 3 chapters of the Crisis of Conscience book, but can't seem to find where to buy the whole thing.

I'm just fascinated that these people had some kind of direct communication, a call to heavenly life and yet they were forced to resign. How can earthly man take away was God has given.

Did they die believing that they were still part of the 144,000?

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Greenlees, Chapman and Chitty

by Libby in

so after being rudely awakened by a cat fight outside (it's 3am here in the uk) and then proceeding to go outside to rescue my cats from the neighbourhood tom....... i'm now laying wide awake trying to make sense of jw "truth".

(it's all my mind does these days, the lights gone on and won't turn off).

anyway i found myself reading about the gb and came across these fellows , greenlees, chapman and chitty.

Libby

Sorry @Chook that's what I meant. I've edited this my post to correct this. Thanku

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Greenlees, Chapman and Chitty

by Libby in

so after being rudely awakened by a cat fight outside (it's 3am here in the uk) and then proceeding to go outside to rescue my cats from the neighbourhood tom....... i'm now laying wide awake trying to make sense of jw "truth".

(it's all my mind does these days, the lights gone on and won't turn off).

anyway i found myself reading about the gb and came across these fellows , greenlees, chapman and chitty.

Libby

Thanks @Waton, so to be a GB in the 70's you didn't have to proclaim to be one of the 144,000?

I'd like to read Raymond Franz book but haven't yet. Do you know if he ever claimed to be of the 144,000?

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Greenlees, Chapman and Chitty

by Libby in

so after being rudely awakened by a cat fight outside (it's 3am here in the uk) and then proceeding to go outside to rescue my cats from the neighbourhood tom....... i'm now laying wide awake trying to make sense of jw "truth".

(it's all my mind does these days, the lights gone on and won't turn off).

anyway i found myself reading about the gb and came across these fellows , greenlees, chapman and chitty.

Libby

So after being rudely awakened by a cat fight outside (it's 3am here in the UK) and then proceeding to go outside to rescue my cats from the neighbourhood tom......

I'm now laying wide awake trying to make sense of JW "Truth". (It's all my mind does these days, the lights gone on and won't turn off).

Anyway I found myself reading about the GB and came across these fellows , Greenlees, Chapman and Chitty. Two of which were members of the GB who resigned (Greenlees and Chitty).

And this is where I get confused, so the current GB are members of the 144,000, correct?? Does that then mean that these two guys (along with Frederick Franz) were also part of the 144,000?

Sorry my JW education is that of a bible study.

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Episode 3 of "This JW Life" is now available.....

by dubstepped in

episode 3 is now out and available on itunes or whatever you use, as well as my site, linked below.

this one is heavier and about life at home growing up as a jw.

i even had an epiphany while recording it, which you'll hear as you listen.

Libby

Ps I still think you have every right to slag them off (I'm glad you like it 😉). No one would blame you if you had a massive rant one day and let out what's deep inside you. After all, the people who were responsible for you chose to blindly follow and not question, it was their job to protect you.

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Episode 3 of "This JW Life" is now available.....

by dubstepped in

episode 3 is now out and available on itunes or whatever you use, as well as my site, linked below.

this one is heavier and about life at home growing up as a jw.

i even had an epiphany while recording it, which you'll hear as you listen.

Libby

I've been reading through your posts on here as I was interested to know what led you to leave the JW (I was impatient to wait for your next podcasts). I certainly agree with others that you should write a book, or at least copy your posts from here onto your blog. I particularly loved the story of your wife's first birthday party.

Your posts on here have certainly added to my strength in knowing that I am doing the right thing by walking away from my bible study.

Funny I didn't want to be a witness because of the way my mother had used them, because of the way we'd be going to the meetings one minute and not the next. One year we'd celebrate Christmas the next we wouldn't, then the next we would and then we wouldn't etc. I didn't think Jehovah would want me or that I was worthy. I finally plucked up the courage to have a study and was told God would accept me. I'd put these people on a pedestal, the only ones serving God correctly, the only ones reading the bible and making a stand. From the outside their life's looked perfect, how could anyone deny they weren't blessed!

I'm so glad I found JW-facts.com, that was the start to me realising that everything the JW say is a complete crock of poo.

It's really helpful to know that you and others like you were frightened too. I'm still terrified of Armageddon, I still wonder now what my purpose in life is.

But reading your posts just makes me 100% that whatever the answers to life questions are, the JW don't have those answers. And they certainly aren't the happy loving "family" they want people to think.

Thanks so much for doing this. I don't know you but your posts and podcasts show that You're obviously a very compassionate person, that really comes through in your reply to my post too. You fight to put your own anger and hurt aside, to have compassion and put yourself in their shoes. You say that you did things that you're not proud of as part of the JW doctrine, which shows you take responsibility for actions. I really hope your family (& your wife's family) see what their missing out on. They could certainly learn a thing or two from you both.

Thanks again for helping people like me on our journey.

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Episode 3 of "This JW Life" is now available.....

by dubstepped in

episode 3 is now out and available on itunes or whatever you use, as well as my site, linked below.

this one is heavier and about life at home growing up as a jw.

i even had an epiphany while recording it, which you'll hear as you listen.

Libby

Thanks so much for sharing your story @dubstepped. I have a similar story of the bags of food. My mother dipped in and out of being JW throughout my childhood. I now feel she used the witnesses, in that as long as she was studying the bible they would help us. Anyway we never had much money, often no money for the electric meter etc, you can imagine. So one time this Witness lady my mother was studying with left some bags of food on the doorstep. My mother went ballistic, she was furious, how dare this women embarrass her by leaving us food. Needless to say some of the food hit the walls and the rest went in the bin. How my 9 year old heart broke, we truly needed that food. Anyway my mother then gave the JW lady "what for" when she next came around and my mother didn't study again for a few years. I always wanted to thank this lady for trying to helping us.

My mother actually got baptised about 8 years ago, but then faded in and out, blaming her health. She's now having a study again but says she's no interest in Armageddon. She doesn't want to live forever, she says before the JW arrive for the study she curses the Holy Spirit, because she believes that anyone who curses the Holy Spirit won't survive Armageddon. She says she only studies because she enjoys the company, having a cuppa and the conversation.

Anyway I wish I'd of found this site sooner.

Its certainly a bonkers world of JW, it's so bizarre you couldn't make it up. !

You're truly very brave for sharing your story. It touches me how much respect you still show your parents. You're so careful not to slag them off and degrade them, which you've every right to do. But I can understand why you don't. It's so hard coming from a background of emotional abuse. What you're doing to help others is just something to be so proud of.

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info needed on Mexico Scandal regarding KH's meetings with no prayers etc - Thanks.

by WHATSGOINGON in

hi .

trying to find info on the scandal involving mexican congregations not having prayers and singing at the meetings.. i have found some info on jw facts but would like more if anyone knows of a good website to look at.. watchtower observer had some info before but that website is long gone.. any help would be much appreciated.. thanks wgo..

Libby

To clarify I'm talking about the difference between owning land/property and renting/leasing it.

I understand that the GB couldn't own the land/property but could they of sold the property to the government and then rented/leased it back. ? I'm in the UK so I'm not using the local terminology.

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info needed on Mexico Scandal regarding KH's meetings with no prayers etc - Thanks.

by WHATSGOINGON in

hi .

trying to find info on the scandal involving mexican congregations not having prayers and singing at the meetings.. i have found some info on jw facts but would like more if anyone knows of a good website to look at.. watchtower observer had some info before but that website is long gone.. any help would be much appreciated.. thanks wgo..

Libby

I'm still wondering though if the GB would of been easily able to rent a place to workship ? If religious organisations at the time applied to rent land/property, how readily was the application granted.

I'll do some digging.

Its only that if land/propert was easily able to be rented then it shows that the GB acted completely in their own financial interests.

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info needed on Mexico Scandal regarding KH's meetings with no prayers etc - Thanks.

by WHATSGOINGON in

hi .

trying to find info on the scandal involving mexican congregations not having prayers and singing at the meetings.. i have found some info on jw facts but would like more if anyone knows of a good website to look at.. watchtower observer had some info before but that website is long gone.. any help would be much appreciated.. thanks wgo..

Libby

Hi Smiddy

thanks so much for the info. Sorry what I should of wrote (half asleep) was, how easy was it for non catholic religions to rent land for religious purposes. ?