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  Judgment Day

  by Fisherman in

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  a specific “day,” or period, when particular groups, nations, or mankind in general are called to account by god.

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  “i solemnly charge you before god and christ jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead,”- 2 tim 4:1. seems like sins are not paid by dying or the ransom if there is a judgment in-spite of it.

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  waton

  This is against how the JW understand it.

  L14, wt writers have now admitted (in latest light) , that judgement will be, because of sins committed in this current life, but do not give the good explanation/reasoning you did. thank you.
  
  
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  Judgment Day

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a specific “day,” or period, when particular groups, nations, or mankind in general are called to account by god.

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  “i solemnly charge you before god and christ jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead,”- 2 tim 4:1. seems like sins are not paid by dying or the ransom if there is a judgment in-spite of it.

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  waton

  Revenge is immoral. It can never be just. Therefor vengeance makes any justice system unjust.

  Tbn. without retribution the laws against criminality are just empty words. example:

  Think of the law that has a thief pay seven times the value he stole. great idea.

  The one who takes somebody else's life has forfeited the right to live.

  " it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living god."

  "outside the liars and adulterers, the dogs"
  
  
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  The question`s GOD beleiver / Creationists ignore or don`t / won`t / can`t answer ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  the common thread of beleivers / creationists of a god creating life is design .. and if something / anything is designed it must have a designer ?.

  however this reasoning is discarded when talking about the existence of god.. and if such a being as god somehow existed without a designer why not all forms of life itself as existing on earth ?.

  coming into existence without a designer ?.

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  waton

  Is there anything in the following statement that requires a designer God to have their own designer?

  Huberus, at a given point we have to acknowledge, that our systematic framework of thinking abilities runs up against the unfathomable.

  energy, can not be created, even in our universe, it does not even need a creator, designer. Time too is eternal, does not need a creator.

  The laws that came with the package of our universe give all the needed setting for all to develop.
  
  
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  Another diabolical, disingenuous, nutcase illustration

  by Beth Sarim in

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  this has been weighing on my mind all day,.

  i just have to vent and get this off my chest.. the latest jw brainwashing, indoctrination session i think it was a broadcast.

  toward the end where the speaker was spouting-off about being in a 'race' again and 'enduring until the end',.

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  waton

  Paul was referring to the faithful ending of his own life. wt followers are well advised to take his words to heart.

  Nobody has made it across the finish line alive yet. ever.

  It is vital for racers to know the laps remaining.

  In the wt treadmill, (that powers the corporation), the uphill race is more then 1000 years away, so Warwick hopes.

  I will start my 93rd lap around the sun this month. Love the the start lines, hate to thing about the finish.
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

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  for what it is worth to those interested.

  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  waton

  How is it written in stone--?

  As many archaeological findings their are imprints, conditions of the material that is left or has filled the voids left by the original, I used that turn of phrase.

  Very good replies by all, particularly about the circular argument clarification. Nothing new from New Scientist.
  
  
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  The question`s GOD beleiver / Creationists ignore or don`t / won`t / can`t answer ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the common thread of beleivers / creationists of a god creating life is design .. and if something / anything is designed it must have a designer ?.

  however this reasoning is discarded when talking about the existence of god.. and if such a being as god somehow existed without a designer why not all forms of life itself as existing on earth ?.

  coming into existence without a designer ?.

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  waton

  Think of the billions and billions of suffering creatures because our [fallen and cursed] world is based on predation.

  Sea Breeze, evidence cast in stone aka fossils prove predation pre dated the "fall" by millions of years.

  vegetarian lions appeared only with the planting of Eden, much later.

  Predation actually started only after the Deluge, not the "Fall", right?
  
  
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

  1. social
  2. current

  for what it is worth to those interested.

  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  for what it is worth to those interested. 1914.

  Tel-Aviv University. "Biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 25 October 2022. <www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/10/221024153631.htm>.
  

  "magnetic minerals which, when heated or burned, record the magnetic field at the time of the fire. Thus, in a 2020 study, researchers reconstructed the magnetic field as it was on the 9th of the month of Av, 586 BCE, the Hebrew date of the destruction of the First Temple and the City of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar and his Babylonian army. Now, using archaeo---"
  
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  The question`s GOD beleiver / Creationists ignore or don`t / won`t / can`t answer ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the common thread of beleivers / creationists of a god creating life is design .. and if something / anything is designed it must have a designer ?.

  however this reasoning is discarded when talking about the existence of god.. and if such a being as god somehow existed without a designer why not all forms of life itself as existing on earth ?.

  coming into existence without a designer ?.

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  waton

  It is an extraordinary claim, that the acclaimed most important messages in the universe***, lay dormant for 30 years in the now proven subjective memory capacity of humans.

  *** the issue of lese majesty, the wt "universal sovereignty" contest
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  Judgment Day

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a specific “day,” or period, when particular groups, nations, or mankind in general are called to account by god.

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  “i solemnly charge you before god and christ jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead,”- 2 tim 4:1. seems like sins are not paid by dying or the ransom if there is a judgment in-spite of it.

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  waton

  There must be a difference from sin that is inherited and the sins accidentally or deliberately committed by the individual. some are said to "crucify the Christ anew" (not in reality)

  If AI would have been available in bible times, some of the contradictory messages would not have made it into the canon. it is not a coordinated "Salvo" for salvation.

  all the resurrected ones, from Lazarus to the sleeper and the knitter, were not freed from inherited sin, and they were the exemplary cases. why would the rest of the dead in the judgements to come? or are judged to gehenna already?
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  The "Slave's" New Covenant flip-flops :)

  by BoogerMan in

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  it-1 p. 524 covenant - the purpose of the new covenant requires that it continue in operation until all of the “israel of god” are resurrected to immortality in the heavens.. it-1 p. 525 covenant - the covenant remains operative between jesus christ and these associate kings forever.. w80 7/1 p. 31 - likewise, the new covenant will come to its end when all the anointed ones are resurrected to heavenly immortal life.. w79 4/1 p. 31 - the new covenant will terminate with the glorification of the remnant who are today in that covenant mediated by christ..

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  waton

  The big mistake of wt writers is, that the new covenant supersedes the Mosaic Law covenant and not the dravid or Kingdom covenant .

  All members of the tribes of Israel are in the new covenant not just the kings and priests.

  The 12 tribes of Israel are the Earthly class according to Math 19:28. btw, which wt writers concur with.