Posts by waton

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“Heaven and Earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”

by Fisherman in

“this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.

heaven and earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”.

the destruction of jerusalem is insignificant in the large scheme of things.

waton

jws are required to believe the current official doctrine, The official stance can lead to reversals of the "truth" taught. see the tacking sailboat illustrating by the wt writer Karl. Klein. and

as an example the wt understanding of the superior Authorities. Reversing course against the teaching of the prevailing wind, "pneuma" aka H. S.

This is unlike the scientific process, wt does not propose theories that can make valid predictions, that can be, and are falsified, again and gain. Not theories, edicts with the death penalty attached.

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114,000, Literal, or Symbolic?

by Wonderment in

a poster wrote to me privately, and brought to my attention the following comment below i made a while back in regards to the 144,00 number of revelation.

i had casually conjectured that this number was likely symbolic in line with the book of revelation being mostly symbolic in kind.

he brought up this juicy source:.

waton

There is biblical support that the 144,000 and the Great Multitude are identical

VdH, no, the GM and the 12 tribes might be identical (wt at some place some time calls the 12 tribes the earthly class), but not the 144k,

The 144 000 are the elite that comes out of the Earthly class. Even today's "partakers" were just observers in the beginning.

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Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

by smiddy3 in

according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

waton

Of course, the whole enterprise is too magnificent to be reduced to fairytales, no matter how sophisticated.

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Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

by smiddy3 in

according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

waton

Bible is about Gen 3:15

" you will bruise him in the heel", echoes of Achilles. really,

the idea that the deity would appease himself by providing for himself justification to undo failure. A playback, (or forward to law), to the instinctive bloodletting of the deep past.

It is written in stone.

tales from the stone age.

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Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

by smiddy3 in

according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

waton

Jesus validated the tale as true.

No matter how we wish the tale to be true, the internal evidence is lacking today.

take Jesus' affirmation of the global flood, inescapable because it covered even the highest mountains, the Himalayas.
There is no evidence that such mass, suffocating pressure was upon the earth for 9 month, only ~ 4000 years ago.

Our dying is explained not by sin, but it's benefits ( I am in my last decade) for the species as a whole.

Will J or j somehow ensure a better future? hopefully. but frankly,

the ransom, sinless sacrifice model is outmoded.

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114,000, Literal, or Symbolic?

by Wonderment in

a poster wrote to me privately, and brought to my attention the following comment below i made a while back in regards to the 144,00 number of revelation.

i had casually conjectured that this number was likely symbolic in line with the book of revelation being mostly symbolic in kind.

he brought up this juicy source:.

waton

Math. 19: 28 " you, (the 12 apostles) will sit upon 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel. "

The 12 tribes of Israel, out of which the Apostles, and the multiple of their number came, are the large pool, great crowd . The 144 000 are the few rulers of the many. The number is limited, literal, not indefinite.

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114,000, Literal, or Symbolic?

by Wonderment in

a poster wrote to me privately, and brought to my attention the following comment below i made a while back in regards to the 144,00 number of revelation.

i had casually conjectured that this number was likely symbolic in line with the book of revelation being mostly symbolic in kind.

he brought up this juicy source:.

waton

It is a literal number with symbolism. see

a) the tribe of Joseph, new at this point, rewarded for being whistleblowers. like us. and contrasted with

b) the the undetermined number of the members in each tribe, and

c) the in innumerable Great Crowd ,

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NASA: Humans Back to the Moon

by Gerard in

nasa plans return to moon by 2020

"this vision aims to return humans to the moon, and then to use it as a staging point for a manned mission to mars.

i wonder if jws will be required to canvas those areas too.

waton

Elon Musk, using his " unrighteous riches " is now selling, reserving suits, for his around the moon Starship trips. a spacious spacecraft, 9 meters diameter, many window seats hopefully, probably full berth. Great use of his gains. but,

working on the leaking problems, like with all infants projects, diapers, tape not a solution. and,

the take off blast will also have a huge kickback, current problem, how not to damage the launchpad and the delicate spacecraft, even in only tests. .

For the nerds: The Moon and Earth are actually wheeling around each other. try the formula for both:

( Vo : Vr ) x R ~384 000 km

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Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

by smiddy3 in

according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

waton

speculations, what ifs ?, about a tale for which there is no evidence.

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Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

by smiddy3 in

according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

waton

the way it reads : the arguments are not based on evidence but on conclusions. --- drawn from?