Posts by waton

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JW's in war zone

by Gorb in

jw
friends

there is so much silence about the jw's in the ukraine conflict.

are the jw men arrested because they don't want to fight?

how is that going in the hyper nationalist fase the country is in?

waton

everyone says: Putin's references to de-Nazifying Ukraine are wrong, that Ukraine never held extreme right-wing views.

Litf. right. there are right wing warriors in all countries. Putin is very right wing himself. Ukraine is nazi? led by a jewish man whose family survived the holocaust? , An atrocity, that admittedly had many Ukrainian collaborators. Demaniuk et al. Einsatztruppen helpers.

now ukraine is just trying to survive, stay alive. a fight it leads without jws help.

not taking side here, these cross border wars have to stop for the women's sake.

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JW's in war zone

by Gorb in

jw
friends

there is so much silence about the jw's in the ukraine conflict.

are the jw men arrested because they don't want to fight?

how is that going in the hyper nationalist fase the country is in?

waton

the contours of a peace deal were well known

sbf. sorry, me wrong. I thought the deal was that the ukraine would give up it nuclear strike force in return for international guarantees of their then borders, including crimea, with Russian speaking minorities guarantees full civil freedoms, or safe passage back to their home country.

Invaders will have the neighbours unite to repel, see "neutral" finland & sweden seeing the light?

neutral switzerland is a well armed country, no threat to italy, france, germany, austria or lichtenstein. ditto ukraine.

in case of russia regaining its "colonies", odd christians like quakers and JWs in prison everywhere.

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JW's in war zone

by Gorb in

jw
friends

there is so much silence about the jw's in the ukraine conflict.

are the jw men arrested because they don't want to fight?

how is that going in the hyper nationalist fase the country is in?

waton

Ukraine from responsibility for the restoration of Nazism

bttc. Naziism, the new catchphrase, for tarring those who love their nationality.

There are no greater nationalists than the Russians, imagining that there are admired by the fins, swedes, Lithuanians, Estonians, letts, ( no not the GB member) poles, bulgarians, rumanians, checks, balkan clans, east germans, georgians, ukrainians, and believe that it is their glorious (slavic) right & destiny to dominate them all.

as close as possible to the line Szczecin - Trieste.

btic: make that Hamburg Trieste, instead. Putin was stationed in Germany, and he wants all of that back, with no american sector in berlin. All germany belongs to him, as a conquered land.

one continent from Gibraltar to vladi wostock. dont stop there, still at war with Japan.

with peace loving people in prison.

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JW's in war zone

by Gorb in

jw
friends

there is so much silence about the jw's in the ukraine conflict.

are the jw men arrested because they don't want to fight?

how is that going in the hyper nationalist fase the country is in?

waton

Yeah, go squat in someone else's home and let them work and sacrifice while you wait in vain for Jehovah to magically fix things.

BH well, if the world would be filled with morons of your definition we would not have wars right?

and the refugees streaming out of the Ukraine are fleeing from real massive imperilment. They are not like the illegals coming across the boarders, the seas, to shop for the best handout countries.

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JW's in war zone

by Gorb in

jw
friends

there is so much silence about the jw's in the ukraine conflict.

are the jw men arrested because they don't want to fight?

how is that going in the hyper nationalist fase the country is in?

waton

I think this is incredibly cynical: having goaded Ukraine into war with Russia,

sbf, I think if Russia invaded your country, it would be goaded into war too. really? remember September, 1939 Russia invaded Poland, at the start of WW2. That conquered land has still not been returned. (England should have declared war on all the invaders at the time, and we would not be in that threat to the planet today)

During WWII here in England the women did not run overseas, they stayed and helped the country.

SGoE: yeah, but the good ladies of England were not threatened with the kinds of atrocities that happened in eastern Europe and are still happening. (compare the 1940 fall France, Paris and 1945 Berlin.Dresden)

Hitler too had given orders to summarily execute any woman POW soldiers of the Soviet forces. so I highly recommend any females to flee from eastern combat zones. that is why my twin Gorbachev, who lived through it, wanted peace at any price.

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JW's in war zone

by Gorb in

jw
friends

there is so much silence about the jw's in the ukraine conflict.

are the jw men arrested because they don't want to fight?

how is that going in the hyper nationalist fase the country is in?

waton

hopefully the Ukrainian government lives up to it's freedom loving claims and allows the Jws to exercise their choice of non involvement. In the areas now occupied by the invaders, russian law is probably applied, and the JW organisation is banned.

80 years ago that embattled region saw bible students, executed even for refusing to dig defensive anti tank trenches.

Now we see pictures of whole families seeking refuge, so males must be allowed to leave. Therefore it is time to apply the counsel:

"if they persecute you in one place, flee to another" , like to the UK, which was exemplary in the second WW to respect conscientious objector's stand.

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faithful and discreet slave appointed in 1919?

by enoughisenough in

12 when did jesus appoint the faithful slave over his domestics?

to answer that, we need to go back to 1914—the beginning of the harvest season.

as we learned earlier, at that time many groups claimed to be christian.

waton

self praise. stinks. given what wt was then preaching, worldwide, proven false prophecies. a stain on the reputation of a possible creator wt claims to represent.

Wt still preaches the same message:

"Millions now living will never die."

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1 Kings 8:21 a woman's perspective.

by waton in

this week's bible stories, temple dedication, key text .

prayer to the father; "-- [even] the heavens of the heavens cannot contain you.--" comment from a sister i missed, would have given if permitted: .

given that jehovah was alone, with absolutely nothing else around him, when he made the heavens,(including his firstborn), fashioned the universe, it could have only be inside him, with no outside existing.

waton

Does the Bible really specify that God existed in abject nothingness until he decided to begin creating?

TonusOH It does not, as far as I know, but given that scripture is 150% wrong about the creation event, I was looking beyond that, could have classed the thread under "humour".

We can extrapolate from our conditions here, that energy is uncreated , indestructible, eternal, and so is time. Therefore these two "entities must have coexisted with the creat-or/ trice. call it in "timespace" or "energytime."

biblically speaking, since Jesus is the firstborn of all creation, the Original creator and the Son must have made the universe between them , literally, locally, in the zero gravity area between 2 entities.

Given the immensity of the work we live in, all these bible based analogies seem to be totally inadequate to give it due esteem. imho.

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1 Kings 8:21 a woman's perspective.

by waton in

this week's bible stories, temple dedication, key text .

prayer to the father; "-- [even] the heavens of the heavens cannot contain you.--" comment from a sister i missed, would have given if permitted: .

given that jehovah was alone, with absolutely nothing else around him, when he made the heavens,(including his firstborn), fashioned the universe, it could have only be inside him, with no outside existing.

waton

There is no "inside" for an alternative dimension.

neat blue dog

wrong, dimensions are all for inside. we, with our universe are inside spacetime. The possible mother father is not. but there was eternal energy and timespace.

Our universe started at a point in timespace. it is an inside job. at least at that point, the outside realm was infinitely larger, older. still is out there, and we are expanding into it.

long live motherhood." thanks heaven for little girls "

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NASA: Humans Back to the Moon

by Gerard in

nasa plans return to moon by 2020

"this vision aims to return humans to the moon, and then to use it as a staging point for a manned mission to mars.

i wonder if jws will be required to canvas those areas too.

waton

In the meantime, E. Musk is running tests and probably trying to figure out what payload could be gathered to fill the 250 cubic meters cavernous cavity of his starship. (you could actually get space sick in the assembly building)

of course everyone has his favoured load to get off their backs and sent to H. . so

nasa's measly 9 cubic meters interior volume will not do.

PS, make it a giant garden, with palms, bamboos, Hibiscus, Figs, Vines for wines, to break the dreadful scenes in the monster machines that astronauts have to live in. park one near the space stations for Rest and Recreation.