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  Remember THIS illustration from the Borg?

  by BoogerMan in

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  bible teach chap.

  11 pp.

  110-111 par.

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  waton

  remember the illustration well. A self published, devastating suggestion by wt writers. because in the long run,

  Students always come up with better solutions. see the Brahe, Kepler, Newton, Einstein chain of advancement.

  Unlike wt old light, the equations of Kepler still work roughly for small orbiting objects.

  wt is deadly afraid of exposing their problems to public scrutiny and listening to solutions, worse yet, to have the whole class see the comparison between their dysfunctional doctrinal house of cards and reality.
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  Is the FACT that no God/god ever communicates with humans evidence that no God/god exists?

  by Disillusioned JW in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is the fact that no god/god ever communicates with us evidence that no god/god exists?

  i think it is very strong evidence that no personal god/god exits, especially a benevolent god who wants humans to know him him/her/it, to obey him/her/it, and/or to love him/her/it.

  since no god/god communicates to us (including those who sincerely want communication with the/a god/god), wouldn't it be sensible for those who pray to what they believe is the/a god/god to cease all efforts to communicate to a god/god?

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  rtn, just as the universe, with trillions of planets, is really incomprehensible to us, so are the realities of concepts like eternity, infinite time and eternal, uncreated, undestroyable energy, although we have math symbols and formulae for them.

  the universe came not from a thing, but a no-thing, energy, an inherent property of eternal timespace. Look at nature, its beauty, power, size, and numbers as a message from the creator.

  " by their works you will know them" even The Father.
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  No pension no preparation for retirement

  by Mikejw in

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  a lot of my ex fellow servants must be now in their seventies, what can you do?.

  no children no money no home.

  it is so sad.. so many decided not to have children as the end was right around the corner and that was decades ago.

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  it is not just about the supposed end of the world, also about the uncertain timing of our little personal world , the person's death.

  how about the investments that were supposed to cushion the loss of income after the end of work life, say 25 year mortgages of houses you sold, and now as a 90 year old, staring at another bleak decade in the face, with all that cushion long gone?

  how good can bleakness get, with good governments, aka wt's "satan's world" stepping in?
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  My Prediction Regarding New Space Telescope That Will See Back to 100 Million Years From the Big Bang

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
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  a new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.

  wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.

  that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.

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  waton

  just because we are, through the scientific methods, ever better to find out how nature/existence works does not mean it is not work in the first place. wirklich
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  My Prediction Regarding New Space Telescope That Will See Back to 100 Million Years From the Big Bang

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.

  wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.

  that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.

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  waton

  There really was nothing at some point. Fm,

  disagree here. there always was uncreated energy and eternal time to contain it. timespace instead of spacetime.

  The universe is still expanding into the future timespace .
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  Is the FACT that no God/god ever communicates with humans evidence that no God/god exists?

  by Disillusioned JW in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is the fact that no god/god ever communicates with us evidence that no god/god exists?

  i think it is very strong evidence that no personal god/god exits, especially a benevolent god who wants humans to know him him/her/it, to obey him/her/it, and/or to love him/her/it.

  since no god/god communicates to us (including those who sincerely want communication with the/a god/god), wouldn't it be sensible for those who pray to what they believe is the/a god/god to cease all efforts to communicate to a god/god?

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  Energy can bring matter into existence and such happens. DJW

  IT DOES NOT JUST HAPPEN, THESE GREAT CONVERSATIONS HAPPEN IN INGENIOUSLY CONCEIVED SET UPS.

  WHAT MAKES YOU BELIEVE THE ENERGY TO MATTER EVENT, THE BIG BEGINNANG WAS DIFFERENT?
  sorry for the cap lock.
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  Elders won't tell you who have falsely accused you

  by enoughisenough in

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  having been a victim of this practice twice, i thought i would see if others had the same experience.

  on one occassion, i was before the elders being told i was drunk on a certain day at a certain time.

  ( this was only brought up because when i was pushing for a meeting because of elder mr x adultery , i was threatened somethings would be brought out about me if i persued the meeting.

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  here is a true story. a couple was to be married in the kh, after a super chaste courtship. He was a scripturally divorced man. They needed approval from his previous congregation. <24 hours through 12 time zones before the ceremony and banquet, there was a sudden delay. One of the elders in his previous congregation asserted that he had, more than a year ago, spend a night in a motel with his former wife and daughter.

  The same "spirit appointed elder" had previously at a pre- judicial meeting asserted he had seen a culprit with a boy. (in public but potentially questionable circumstances.) The meeting was about involvement with a female.

  In both cases, the accusations were dismissed just in time, the question came up though, if the subject did, or was in danger of committing an offence, why did he not intervene, or scripturally question the culprit ASAP? why only bring up these false accusation at a point where timely refutation was nearly impossible?

  wt appointee justice at it's finest.
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  How far do we get away from 1914

  by PimoElder in

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  how far do we get away from 1914 before they have a new light and admit it was all wrong?.

  they cling to the old theory of the 77 week prophecy from the wrong date that jerusalem was destroyed .

  with the overlapping generations nonsense still we are getting too far away from 1914. what will they say if we get to the 2030s and they still cling to 1914?.

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  waton

  EDIT:
  The Generation That
  have All Passed Away D.O.C.

  and is now in wt heaven, and should have as a priority to extricate wt from it's false prophecy course, like the above worldwide proclamation, --- do their "spirit directing".

  New light, flicked since then, is of course, that the anointed generation is supposed to pass away before the Great Tribulation finale; which of course is wrong too, because Jesus said that the generation will pass away only after all has occurred.
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  How can JW's have a CLUE what the New Covenant is about...

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ...when their "slave class" doesn't?.

  it-1 p. 524 covenant - the covenant is forever in operation.... it-1 p. 524 covenant - the purpose of the new covenant requires that it continue in operation until all of the “israel of god” are resurrected to immortality in the heavens.. the new covenant is forever in operation, but only until the "anointed" have popped their clogs, been raptured to heaven, and morphed into 144,000 melchizedek king-priests.

  (just like christ!).

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  Math. 26: 27,28* sums it up nicely: "drink of it all of you, -- the blood of the covenant -- for forgiveness of sins.-- "

  This is the new Covenant, for forgiveness of sins. (not the kingdom)

  wt stages a yearly reverse ceremony. Nearly all are told not to drink, to abstain, only the anointed drink, but at the last supper the one anointed, Jesus abstained. (he needed no sins to be forgiven) yet all with an initial earthly hope partook.

  The 12 tribes of the Israel of God include the tribe of Joseph. The one that told the majority what the true score is.

  The one that they "disfellowshipped" , nearly killed. They will eat out of his hand again. wt take note, and refute. . just for fun:

  in the spring of 2024, there will be the wt memorial on a Sunday, darkness in upstate NY on Monday.

  ** The math. is easily remembered: counting up Math. 26 ,27,28 and down John 6, 54
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  Free Will - Does It or Does It Not Exist?

  by truth_b_known in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  being born-in and raised as one of jehovah's witnesses i remember a common theme or phrases used by the watchtower in its theory of why things are the way they are -.

  jehovah created humans.

  jehovah created humans as free moral agents.

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  waton

  free will? yes, but only within the limits set by the conditions and natural laws.