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Are Christians Promised Heaven or Earth?
by BoogerMan in
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jw's share a belief which most christian denominations teach - heaven awaits!

(matthew 20:28) ...the son of man came...to give his life as a ransom in exchange for many.”.

what does a 'ransom' normally achieve?.
waton

wt doctrine is, that the "anointed" get the right to everlasting life through partaking, and they then sacrifice that acquired right, as Jesus did, to aspire to immortality in heaven.
which begs the question, if the anointed partakers get the right to everlasting life on earth, why does wt not allow those that do not want to go to heaven pastake, to get at least a crack at the basic ransom offering? ? After all, Jesus served the emblems to those with an earthly kingdom hope?
Jesus: " you will be with me in Paradise" , even without prior partaking. just for a few moments of countable "service time".
Everlasting life on Earth is impossible, the planet and its furnace is half finished. so:
make that a temporary paradise on this planet. aka heaven on Earth, or paradise in heaven.
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According to Jehovah's Witnesses, who will be saved?
by Vanderhoven7 in
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i know who won't be saved according to witnesses and that includes just about everyone alive at armageddon who is not a jehovah’s witness.

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others who are permanently lost include adam and eve, those who died in the flood, people of sodom and gomorrah and apostates to their one true religion..
waton

what if this whole salvation/ not dying idea is a misreading of the purpose of life in the universe?
Dying , particularly late in life is good for the species, striving for betterment, progress.
fertile seniors have pushed our species into longevity, methuselah of old fantasies notwithstanding.
God Believer:
nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed,
These past "personality traits" were abandoned changed, finished. not just swept under the carpet by the ransom. about the danger of them to recur in a dedicated christian, it mentions that it would amount to sacrificing the Christ anew.
The ransom is not the carefree cover all that some make it out to be, not saved no matter what.
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Jws did not pay bills?
by waton in
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2. current
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/nachruf-auf-dieter-teschendorf-die-sache-mit-der-privatwirtschaft/28490176.html.

vor dem mauerfall verdiente er gut mit seiner druckerei.

danach kamen die zeugen jehovas und bezahlten ihre rechnung nicht.
waton

FJ: right. that is why wt is not mentioned in the article or posts.
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Jws did not pay bills?
by waton in
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2. current
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/nachruf-auf-dieter-teschendorf-die-sache-mit-der-privatwirtschaft/28490176.html.

vor dem mauerfall verdiente er gut mit seiner druckerei.

danach kamen die zeugen jehovas und bezahlten ihre rechnung nicht.
waton
From the obituary:
"-- Als alles fertig war, kamen die guten Christen, nahmen das Material, sagten, sie würden später zahlen und meldeten sich nie wieder.Davon erholte sich die Siebdruckerei nie mehr richtig."
Dieter und Heidi verkauften das Haus und richteten eine neue, kleinere Druckerei
THE GIST: Once the work was finished, the Good Christians came, took the printed material, and never showed again.
The printery never recovered (from the loss), D&H had to sell the house and started a new, smaller printry.
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Jws did not pay bills?

by waton in

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/nachruf-auf-dieter-teschendorf-die-sache-mit-der-privatwirtschaft/28490176.html.

vor dem mauerfall verdiente er gut mit seiner druckerei.

danach kamen die zeugen jehovas und bezahlten ihre rechnung nicht.

waton

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/nachruf-auf-dieter-teschendorf-die-sache-mit-der-privatwirtschaft/28490176.html

Vor dem Mauerfall verdiente er gut mit seiner Druckerei. Danach kamen die Zeugen Jehovas und bezahlten ihre Rechnung nicht.

TATJANA WULFERT

translateD: " BEFORE THE FALL OF THE WALL---, Then came Jehovah's Witnesses and diD not pay their bill" A STORY OF AN UNDERGROUND PRINTER IN EAST, COMMUNIST BERLIN.

IS THIS BELIEVABLE?

Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?

by Fisherman in

“who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?” — math 24:45. according to jw, the faithful and discreet slave are the “anointed” men of the “governing body” of the jehovah’s witnesses religion..

waton

the faithful and discreet slave are the “anointed” men of the “governing body” of the Jehovah’s Witnesses religion.

Fm: self-appointed , anointed in 1919, based on their then flashy teaching campaign: "----- Millions now living will never die!" so, answer please:

are there > 2 million over 108 year old armageddon proof witnesses today? or at least "sheep" that have helped feed, watered, consoled kingdom workers?

and how about the pre-1919 bible writers, teachers?, --- unqualified? so, face it:

not appointed, but will be disappointed. already are, as proven, condemned false prophets.

jworg, wtbts inc still pitching the same line:" Millions now living will never die", and that means you.

WHEN is the Kingdom of God coming?

by Fisherman in

when is the kingdom of god coming?.

on being asked by the pharisees when the kingdom of god was coming, he answered them: “the kingdom of god is not coming with paratherisis; 21 nor will people say, ‘see here!’ or, ‘there!’ for look!

the kingdom of god is in your midst.” —lu 17:20,21. .

waton

In the meantime, since 1914 he has been alongside those in his congregation and the preaching work.

Fm: 1914? as far as the coming of the kingdom goes, bible references to that iconic date are not as clear as Colossians 1:13,

showing, the kingdom existing then, at time of writing for the congregation, its members and its mission. Co.1:13, for wt believers a colossal elephant in the room, if they cared for bible truth.

JW's everlasting life is only written in PENCIL!

by BoogerMan in

september 2022 study watchtower p.16, par.7 .

"the second group consists of the great crowd of other sheep.

are their names now written in the book of life?

waton

pencil? yes, and it has an eraser at the end.

that is why "satan" put the temptation in front of "jesus" , including the 4 cornered earth. corny. but with him then only having everlasting life, not immortality, can you do better ? in wt land?.

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My Prediction Regarding New Space Telescope That Will See Back to 100 Million Years From the Big Bang

by Sea Breeze in

a new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.

wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.

that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.

waton

Waton, that is an interesting "just so" story to try and account for why spiral galaxies appear young.

SB, I was just commenting, adding to your conflating the "voice of god" with the science "hand of god".

Standing waves can be an acoustic phenomenon, shaking matter into distinct, targeted areas. google "Chladni plate". Every entity has a basic frequency resulting from its size, possibly affecting the structure. I believe that even our solar system has a basic frequency of 5 minutes, with a wavelength of .3 AU. or think of

the ~28 day cycle of the rotation of the sun, the orbit of the moon and our reproductive cycle.The earth rotates in a cosmic standing wave of fertility, ha ha.anyway,

the oldest stars are in global star clusters, or elliptical galaxies, that have no organized rotation, but must have correctly orbiting individual, perhaps dead suns, that have given up on colliding.

There was a curtain, shroud, as the size and with it the "Eigenschwingung" of the cosmos changed during the early stages of the Big Beginning event . ALMA is already peering deeper, Webb might see details at the fringes. in the meantime,

it is good to hear the hum, see the waves in the universe. , HMM. enJoy.

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My Prediction Regarding New Space Telescope That Will See Back to 100 Million Years From the Big Bang

by Sea Breeze in

a new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.

wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.

that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.

waton

the outer parts rotate more slowly than the inside.

The natural laws dictate that. any particles not having the right energy, potential or dynamic, will exit, fall until it finds the correct distance. look at the fast inner, and slow, outer planets here.

The arms in galaxies are not rotating but are standing waves through which the material flows, rotates. More stars are born in star nurseries in the the denser arms,

Big stars die young, small stars live longer. if only the sun were smaller, everlasting life on an everlasting planet under an everlasting sun would be longer. As it is, we are half done.