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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

waton

So Scholar...are you saying that Jesus was warning people in his generation exclusively to pray that their flight not be in winter or on a Sabbath Day

so.If scholar has any tracktion in Warwick, are we looking forward to new light on this?,

like the one that

Isaiah 65, " new heavens and new earth, building permanent housing, people living as long as trees, dying young at 100," is not the millenium, but was the prospect for the returning exiles from babylon?

That is not true at all. The Parousia, the sign of the son of man, separating sheep and goats and the Millennium did not happen then.

The only persons of the 1914 generation to fit the wt / bible description is a "sheep" that survived Armageddon, but later goofed up, not later than the final test.

The members of the 1914 generation are not the anointed, certainly not overlapping groups either.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

waton

e) the anointed generation

f) the overlapping group generation

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The JW's greatest dogma...

by BoogerMan in

....that god almighty/jesus personally selected j.f.

rutherford & wtbts inc. as a front for worldwide christianity, is an affront to worldwide christians.. the adage, “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” was made for such spurious assertions.. as with jw's who claim, "jehovah answered my prayer for......," both claims rely on total credulity, and zero evidence of divine intervention.

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waton

As expected, the silence from those defending JW dogma, is deafening.

There is an added twist for them to get balled up in:

wt teaches, by coincidence, that the Deceased of the 144 000, (peter paul and mary) et al, -none part of the F&DS-, were resurrected in 1918, so ready to help the newly minted Governing Body, Faithful and Discreet Slave of 1919 to get off the ground with a clean head start. so,

with that disaster doctrine, (The World Has ended, , Millions Now Living Will Never Die), but did, and 25% of publishers now not over 108 years old,--

where was the help, the claimed unfailing spirit guidance, direction that should have been given by these immortal powerful eager heavenly newcomers?

may be they were peeved , that, by wt decree, although bible writers, they were never part of the feeding faithful slave?

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

waton

JW scholar, Fisherman,

the simple truth about 1914, the generation after that date as the anointed, is a late, false concept. because:

Jesus specified that the generation would pass away after all these things had occurred, but wt insists that the generation of 1914, the anointed, will have to pass to heaven at the outset of all these things, aka The Great Tribulation. further:

the "chosen ones' " living flesh has to be saved by a shortened GT, but wt now teaches the remains of the immortal ones will be disposed of by angels, (like Jesus'). A short and sweet GT will be immaterial to the departed, except it will cut short their combat training for the battle of A.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

waton

the Flood came and swept them all away, so the Parousia of the Son of man will be.

Fm: there definitely was no deluge as defined in scripture. no ark, so, there is your defining parameter of the Parousia. priceless.

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Date of Adam's "Creation?

by Slidin Fast in

how do jws resolve these conflicting facts.. 1. no matter how you spin it, bible chronology calculates to circa 4000 bc for adam's creation.

i followed the trail many years ago and that's what it adds up to.. 2. the most cursory investigation of any branch of relevant science puts man's habitation on the earth as hugely earlier than that.

it's now so well-proved that anyone disputing it is guilty of wilful ignorance.

waton

the bible becomes totally discredited for a modern guide to truth, when you fill in the details, water rising at 10 meters an hour, for 40 days, covering everest, all animals surviving for 9 month in a rickety wooden box held together by dowels. all endorsed by a perfect, knowledgeable woodworker, the carpenter from galil, alledged co creator of the universe, send to bear witness to the [scientific?] truth.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

waton

to mitigate the conditions of their escape

fisherman, yeah. how about the escape of the anointed ones in Jesus's day, living to the ripe age of 100+, but

the predicted death of the current anointed wt generation at the outset of the great tribulation. ? passing away before all these things have passed?

dont give us a pass on that one !! even if wt instructions are not to discuss doctrinal matters.

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The JW's greatest dogma...

by BoogerMan in

....that god almighty/jesus personally selected j.f.

rutherford & wtbts inc. as a front for worldwide christianity, is an affront to worldwide christians.. the adage, “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” was made for such spurious assertions.. as with jw's who claim, "jehovah answered my prayer for......," both claims rely on total credulity, and zero evidence of divine intervention.

.

waton

...that God Almighty/Jesus personally selected J.F. Rutherford & WTBTS Inc. as a front for worldwide Christianity BM

based on their performance in the campaign starting in 1918: "the world has ended, Millions now living will never die!", a theme still promoted by wt now.

proclaimers book, page 426.

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Question #1 for JW's to offer an explanation

by BoogerMan in

the r&f jw's are defined by the wtbts as antitypical "foreigners," and as such, are not participants of the new covenant:.

wt 98 2/1 p.19, par.

6 - "further, other sheep lay hold of the new covenant just as foreigners of old laid hold of the law covenant.

waton

Please explain why your 'slave' lies about Egypt's foreigners not being participants in the covenant BM

and how the 12 tribes Israel of Rev 7 are not in the new Covenant, are excluded from the forgiveness of sins now.

Your slave not only makes the foreigners, but the members of the tribes of the Israel of God non participants, non partakers.

explain please.

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Question #2 for JW's

by BoogerMan in

how could the "two witnesses" mentioned in revelation chapter 11 possibly be j.f.

rutherford and his companions who got jailed and then released in 1919?.

w14 11/15 p. 30 - so in the fulfillment of revelation chapter 11, the anointed brothers who took the lead at the time of the establishment of god’s kingdom in heaven in 1914 preached “in sackcloth” for three and a half years.. watchtower november 15, 2014, p. 30 - revelation 11:7 says that it is "the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss" which kills the 'two witnesses'.. since the wild beast of rev.

waton

How could the "two witnesses" mentioned in Revelation chapter 11 possibly be J.F. Rutherford and his companions who got jailed and then released in 1919?

BM: was not the release of the wt administrators from the penitentiary in Atlanta billed by wt doctrine doctors billed as proof that "Babylon the great had fallen", now: "had a fall" ?

Personal misfortune of wt heavies seem to them always be cosmic shaking events. causing shaking heads instead.

Carl Sagan about cosmic events:" [wt*] announced the end of the world, but nobody noticed"

*prominent religion